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Old 12-15-2023, 10:55 AM
 
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I would like to find out what other so-called university presidents have views like this.

Or maybe they will just choose to keep quiet after witnessing this fiasco.
Odd that “misgendering” someone is considered violence and professors, students, and invited speakers who espouse anything the left deems offensive are kicked out or banned from the campus.
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Old 12-15-2023, 11:05 AM
 
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Odd that “misgendering” someone is considered violence and professors, students, and invited speakers who espouse anything the left deems offensive are kicked out or banned from the campus.
This is exactly the problem. I may not agree with things some of these people say, but banning them from speaking, or trying to take down an economics or physics professor because of their view on gender is insane.
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Old 12-15-2023, 11:10 AM
 
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While they denounced the attacks on Jewish students, none would say those were violations of the code of conduct nor would they say anyone was held accountable for their actions.
What kind of "attacks"?

Physical violence is never acceptable, which is an "attack."

Everything else is fair game.

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Harvard and UPenn are Ivy League institutions and constantly ranked among the world’s best universities,....
For no good reason. They are hardly the "world's best."

If it were up to me, no graduate of an Ivy League school would ever be employed or appointed to any position in government.

The you-Harvards have run the US for more than 100 years and all they've done is ruin everything for everybody.

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Odd that “misgendering” someone is considered violence and professors, students, and invited speakers who espouse anything the left deems offensive are kicked out or banned from the campus.
Hypocrisy is a synonym for Liberal.
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Old 12-15-2023, 11:19 AM
 
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What kind of "attacks"?

Physical violence is never acceptable, which is an "attack."

Everything else is fair game.



For no good reason. They are hardly the "world's best."

If it were up to me, no graduate of an Ivy League school would ever be employed or appointed to any position in government.

The you-Harvards have run the US for more than 100 years and all they've done is ruin everything for everybody.



Hypocrisy is a synonym for Liberal.
Meh. The hypocrisy is terrible on both sides. In education, the liberal hypocrisy is definitely worse, but leave education and you have a huge sampling of conservative hypocrisy. Let’s just look at stupid proclamations like, “No Ivy League graduates should be employed or appointed to work in government”. I’m guessing you voted for Trump.

I agree that words are not violence. Harassment and menacing are legally defined terms and are also not fair game. Words by themselves are not violence and universities seem to be struggling with this concept and they need to fix it.

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Old 12-15-2023, 02:55 PM
 
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What kind of "attacks"?

Physical violence is never acceptable, which is an "attack."

Everything else is fair game.



For no good reason. They are hardly the "world's best."

If it were up to me, no graduate of an Ivy League school would ever be employed or appointed to any position in government.

The you-Harvards have run the US for more than 100 years and all they've done is ruin everything for everybody.



Hypocrisy is a synonym for Liberal.
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Old 12-15-2023, 03:13 PM
 
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-anti...52a?mod=RSSMSN

Here’s an account of a member of Congress seeing protestors inside the library at Harvard and how they treated him
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Old 12-17-2023, 10:40 AM
 
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Haven't colleges (especially the more notable ones) always been hotbeds of Liberalism/Leftism?
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Old 12-17-2023, 12:53 PM
 
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Haven't colleges (especially the more notable ones) always been hotbeds of Liberalism/Leftism?
I'd say probably not; at least not in the sense "liberal" means today. While there were always some number of "way out left" professors, they were kept in balance overall. The balance started tipping perhaps in the 60s/70s when university leadership became reluctant to reign in some of the more outlandish professors who hid behind "academic freedom" and "tenure." And just fell completely out of whack in the 2000s when the same groups who argued for their freedom of speech in the 70s started using charges of "XYZ-ist" and "hate speech" as bludgeons to clear opposition from their way.
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Old 12-19-2023, 08:16 AM
 
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I'd say probably not; at least not in the sense "liberal" means today. While there were always some number of "way out left" professors, they were kept in balance overall. The balance started tipping perhaps in the 60s/70s when university leadership became reluctant to reign in some of the more outlandish professors who hid behind "academic freedom" and "tenure." And just fell completely out of whack in the 2000s when the same groups who argued for their freedom of speech in the 70s started using charges of "XYZ-ist" and "hate speech" as bludgeons to clear opposition from their way.
If it’s been that way since the 60s/70s, then that means the vast majority of people alive today have never known a time when universities were not hotbeds of liberalism when they were adults.
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Old 12-20-2023, 09:53 PM
 
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Universities have always had a liberal bias, but opposing ideas were not canceled until around 2015. This is a relatively new phenomenon brought in by Gen Z.

Haidt and Lukianoff write about this in The Coddling of the American Mind.
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