01-19-2010, 12:01 PM
Location: Mason, OH
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You have to recognize the number of HVAC and furnace manufactuers have decreased considerably in recent years, consistent with the overall drop in manufacturing in the US.
A few years ago, I needed to replace my AC, which had failed, and also recognized the gas furnace was old and very inefficient. I have a friend who is in the HVAC commercial business and he recommended I consider a Westinghouse system. He gave me the name of a contractor he used.
To make a long story short, I had them replace my system. As luck would have it, there were several problems with the AC, as it lost its complete refrigerant charge over the first 3 wnters. In addition, they had installed the wrong indoor AC coil, a Freon coil vs what I had purchased, a Puron coil for higher efficiency. After they corrected this, I got a letter saying they could no longer honor my warranty.
Of course, this mde me upset, and I immediately went to the local Westinghouss distributor. They did alright by me.
One caution, the brand names you remember and respect may not any longer be associated with individual, independent companies. The brand I selected,Westinghouse, no longer has anything to do with Westinghouse Electric, if they even exist today. Look up (Google) the name Nordyne. From their home page you can see they have obtained the rights to at least a dozen recognizable HVAC and furnace brands from the past. There is nothing inherently wrong in this, but you may have to wonder why they tread on the old names, rather than proclaiming We are Nordyne , and these are the brands we have acquired/assumed because we are better.
01-19-2010, 03:11 PM
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kjbrill
One caution, the brand names you remember and respect may not any longer be associated with individual, independent companies. The brand I selected,Westinghouse, no longer has anything to do with Westinghouse Electric, if they even exist today. Look up (Google) the name Nordyne. From their home page you can see they have obtained the rights to at least a dozen recognizable HVAC and furnace brands from the past. There is nothing inherently wrong in this, but you may have to wonder why they tread on the old names, rather than proclaiming We are Nordyne , and these are the brands we have acquired/assumed because we are better.
Take apart some of the HVAC units piece by piece and you will find that the same manufacturers make 75+% of the parts NO MATTER what brand you buy. It is getting pretty similar to PCs in that respect.
01-21-2010, 09:17 AM
Location: Mason, OH
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jlawrence01
Take apart some of the HVAC units piece by piece and you will find that the same manufacturers make 75+% of the parts NO MATTER what brand you buy. It is getting pretty similar to PCs in that respect.
I totally agree. To me there are two major factors: (1) The warranty, how many years at 100%
both parts and labor . (2) The reputation of the dealer/installer you contract with. Ask all of your friends and neighbors whether they have dealt with them and what was the result.
03-25-2011, 02:37 PM
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I had a quote of $5,3,00 on a 54,000 BTU circulating hot water furnace. Is this greatly out of line?
04-10-2012, 11:17 AM
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Need a HVAC contractor that will install internet purchased heat pump
I"m finding it difficult in finding a contractor willing to install internet purchased hvac in the Cincinnati area. Pricing of equipment is much less on the internet, but there seems a reluctance to install them. Any leads are appreciated - Thanks
04-10-2012, 11:20 AM
Location: Cincinnati
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I"m finding it difficult in finding a contractor willing to install internet purchased hvac in the Cincinnati area. Pricing of equipment is much less on the internet, but there seems a reluctance to install them. Any leads are appreciated - Thanks
Well, most HVAC folks purchase supplies from places that sell exclusively to licensed contractors at a good discount from retail. Thus, most HVAC contractors are making money on equipment and parts.
04-10-2012, 11:50 AM
Location: Mason, OH
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TomJones123
Well, most HVAC folks purchase supplies from places that sell exclusively to licensed contractors at a good discount from retail. Thus, most HVAC contractors are making money on equipment and parts.
I definitely agree. HVAC contractors make a good percentage on the equipment they sell to you. Also, please recognize what you buy on the internet comes with little or any warranty.
Also beware of what any dealer proposes to you. Many will just go with the cheapest product. It is also affected by whether you just want a furnance or a furnace plus central air. The furnace is the cheapest component. You can probably get just a good quality furnace for under $3,000. But a high efficiency furnace plus high efficiency central air is likely to run about $7,000 or higher. If it is a large house, maybe considerably higher.
04-10-2012, 09:21 PM
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I"m finding it difficult in finding a contractor willing to install internet purchased hvac in the Cincinnati area. Pricing of equipment is much less on the internet, but there seems a reluctance to install them. Any leads are appreciated - Thanks
They are not willing to accept the liability of installing HVAC equipment that they are 1) unfamiliar with and 2) have no sense of it origin.
Personally, with as much LOOTING as there has been of vacant properties, I would be afraid that an internet purchased HVAC system was stolen.
Most of the contractors that I have used have been very reasonable on the equipment they have provided.
I would make a recommendation BUT I do not know of any of my friends who would even consider it.
04-11-2012, 07:48 AM
Location: Mason, OH
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As I remarked previously, I had quite a few problems with my high efficiency replacement system, specifically the air conditioner which kept losing its puron charge. To their credit, the installer kept coming out and recharging the unit, checking for leaks, etc. By the beginning of the 3rd summer when it was still empty I contacted the owner and he came out personally. That is when he recognized the wrong indoor coil had been installed. He was able to get the correct coil from the local warehouse and they swapped them out that afternoon. It was a few weeks later I got a letter from them stating they could no longer honor my warranty since Westinghouse said it was not properly registered. So I got the name of the local Westinghouse distributor from my casual friend who manages HVAC installations and maintenance for a large local apartment complex outfit.
I began my barrage of emails to the local Westinghouse distributor relating the circumstances and asking what was going on. I finally got the response my original installer was not a factory authorized Westinghouse dealer. I responded that was their problem not mine as they had willingly sold them the equipment, and if I did not receive confirmation my warranty would be honored the next emails would be directed to the manufacturer Nordyne. I got a response indicating my warranty would be honored and they were referring me to a local HVAC dealer here in Mason who is their largest Westinghouse installer in Greater Cincinnati to check the system out. I was aware of this dealer as I had obtained quotes from them when I bought the replacement system. But they kept trying to talk me into lower efficiency equipment which I was convinced I did not want. I guess they thought I would not spend the money.
They came out, checked out the system, and said it appeared fine. Since then, I have maintained an annual service agreement with them whereby they check out the furnace in the fall and the air conditioner in the spring. Any defects would still be covered by my original 8-year parts and labor warranty. I believe you can get even longer warranties today. So far it is running like a top.
The system I installed then is a 92% efficiency gas furnace and a 16 seer A/C unit. I knew this qualified for the energy tax credit. Also, the operating expense dropped considerably. BTW, the old system I replaced was a Williamson, also built like a tank and still running. But I knew it was horribly inefficient and costing me money. I had waiting previously far too many years to install high efficiency replacement windows in the house, also costing me a lot of money as well as comfort.
Another comment, modern high efficiency furnaces are equipped with variable speed, high volume blowers. They are quite high speed and we can hear ours rev up since the unit is below the family room. I leave the blower setting on the thermostat to a constant ON. While the blower is constantly running it throttles down to a lower speed until the furnace or A/C unit goes into actual cycle. Even with our original ductwork the two-story house is much more uniform in temperature distribution than previously.
04-11-2012, 10:40 AM
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jlawrence01
They are not willing to accept the liability of installing HVAC equipment that they are 1) unfamiliar with and 2) have no sense of it origin.
Personally, with as much LOOTING as there has been of vacant properties, I would be afraid that an internet purchased HVAC system was stolen.
Most of the contractors that I have used have been very reasonable on the equipment they have provided.
I would make a recommendation BUT I do not know of any of my friends who would even consider it.
Assuming that the installer is going to assume that an internet purchased HVAC system was looted is paranoiac. We can assume that the poster with the system to install has sales receipts.
I invite the poster to PM me. I use an independent heating guy who operates in the Warren county area who is quite mercantile and he will probably do it.
Having said that, when we got a heat pump installed by this guy (made by Westinghouse), he went through two units that he had to return because they were defective. We're talking heat pump units that are about four feet tall and a couple of feet on a side. If this sort of thing comes up with the poster who has the internet purchased equipment, that is probably going to be nearly impossible with merchandise purchased through a third party. The guy will be sitting on an HVAC labor bill + defective product that he will have to return himself at high cost.
I'd say that the failure rate of this equipment, and NOT the supposed shadiness of any equipment, is the main reason you want to let the heating/cooling contractor deal with the equipment wholesaler directly. He's set up to deal with equipment returns.
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People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)