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Old 08-11-2015, 06:15 PM
 
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Heard Amy Murray on WLW radio this afternoon on this subject. She said there is no indication when the first car is going to be delivered. Could be months. If that happens the official startup date is in jeopardy.
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Old 10-28-2015, 03:23 PM
 
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To all Cincinnati streetcar naysayers... The first of the "never gonna happen" streetcars is being delivered 9:30 AM Friday to its OTR maintenance facility off of Race St. Needless to say, many people (including the press) will be there to witness this milestone event and see for themselves this beautiful vehicle:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...what-will.html
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Old 10-29-2015, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Pleasant Ridge)
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To all Cincinnati streetcar naysayers... The first of the "never gonna happen" streetcars is being delivered 9:30 AM Friday to its OTR maintenance facility off of Race St. Needless to say, many people (including the press) will be there to witness this milestone event and see for themselves this beautiful vehicle:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...what-will.html
...and they're on time and on budget!
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Old 10-29-2015, 05:31 AM
 
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...and they're on time and on budget!
Not quite. The street cars were supposed to be delivered at the end of September at the latest. But at least a month delay is not going to result in a delay from the proposed start date of the service next year which I think is in September of 2016. On budget? Not quite. Cost overruns have plagued the project since day one. The relocation of power lines alone increased the budget by something like 15 million dollars.

The 133 million dollar cost quoted in this article ballooned to nearly 150 million which includes the power line issue.

Streetcar Phase II: An uphill battle
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Old 10-29-2015, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Pleasant Ridge)
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Not quite. The street cars were supposed to be delivered at the end of September at the latest. But at least a month delay is not going to result in a delay from the proposed start date of the service next year which I think is in September of 2016. On budget? Not quite. Cost overruns have plagued the project since day one. The relocation of power lines alone increased the budget by something like 15 million dollars.

The 133 million dollar cost quoted in this article ballooned to nearly 150 million which includes the power line issue.

Streetcar Phase II: An uphill battle
Nope, sorry. Incorrect - at least in construction. But the project as a whole remains on time and on budget.

"The project will come in on time and on budget, $148 million according to Streetcar Executive John Deatrick."

Ready to roll: Streetcar's final weld complete

Edit: I know this is off topic but how about the state admitting they still have no idea how much the I-71 MLK exit is going to cost. Where's the outrage?
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Old 10-29-2015, 06:20 AM
 
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Deatrick is wrong.

The original budget estimate to complete the initial phase was 102 million. Not 148 million. And the original estimate to run this line on an annual basis was around 2.5 to 2.7 million. That has since jumped to between 3 and 4 million a year.
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Old 10-29-2015, 06:30 AM
 
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It's going to end horribly for the taxpayers. That I'm sure about.
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Old 10-29-2015, 06:39 AM
 
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It's going to end horribly for the taxpayers. That I'm sure about.
Probably. But I hope it works and can somehow find a way to break even. The concept is OK though I much prefer Light Rail vs. Slight Rail. Slight Rail would be better used as a feeder system to a Light Rail system.
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Old 10-29-2015, 06:46 AM
 
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It's already going great for the city and it's taxpayers. The opponents just need to know when they've lost. It's been a success. On time and on budget success too.

Look at all these articles about development along the line where the developers list the streetcar as one of the reasons. There are plenty more development too:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...o-convert.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...MRECl5eh3sXAQf

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...to-reopen.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...ny-moving.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...the-rhine.html

And of course GE and it's 2,000 jobs:
http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...the-banks.html

Oh and look 5 new beers we get:
http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...ial-beers.html
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Old 10-29-2015, 07:37 AM
 
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It's already going great for the city and it's taxpayers. The opponents just need to know when they've lost. It's been a success. On time and on budget success too.

Look at all these articles about development along the line where the developers list the streetcar as one of the reasons. There are plenty more development too:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...o-convert.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...MRECl5eh3sXAQf

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...to-reopen.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...ny-moving.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...the-rhine.html

And of course GE and it's 2,000 jobs:
http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...the-banks.html

Oh and look 5 new beers we get:
http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...ial-beers.html
I'm happy for new development anywhere in the city ....

but a lot of that was basically real estate speculation - it became a "gold rush" where people bought cheap along the supposed line, and will sell for killer profits when/if the line is a success.

Which is fine, its the "american" way. Unfortunately, since the street car is at least partially publically funded - its unfortunate that the profits in the "development" won't also somehow be returned to the public..

I know there was a talk of a special taxation district around the streetcar (to pay for operating expenses, I believe). I don't know if that ever went through - and I don't think it would capture any of the increased property values .. Which it should, as its the public's investment that has (at least partially) made those properties worth more.

But - we value things in a decidedly one-sided way in this country.

There was an interesting article in the Atlantic (or Salon, or Huff Post) about how hard it is to really covert small cities to public transportation. And that was in cities much larger and much denser than Cincinnati. So while I hope for the success of this initiative.. I'll remain neutral until its been a decade and we see the actual outcome for user-rates.

Glad that its thus far mostly on-time, and somewhat on-budget (as earlier posts show, that seems to be a matter of opinion).
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