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So Joe Girardi was not going to let CC pitch the 9th inning no matter what? This was a no-hitter dude! I understand that baseball is such a "business" nowadays that they worry so much about broken arms, etc. but I find this sad. Pitchers threw 150, sometimes 200 pitches a game just 30 or 40 years ago and there was no problem.
Does this mean almost all no-hitters in the future will be "by committee" (i.e. shared by multiple pitchers? If it were a perfect game CC was working on instead of just a "no-no", would Joe have done this?
Maybe it's good that CC didn't get the no-no, that would've been terrible if he were denied the chance.
So Joe Girardi was not going to let CC pitch the 9th inning no matter what? This was a no-hitter dude! I understand that baseball is such a "business" nowadays that they worry so much about broken arms, etc. but I find this sad. Pitchers threw 150, sometimes 200 pitches a game just 30 or 40 years ago and there was no problem.
Does this mean almost all no-hitters in the future will be "by committee" (i.e. shared by multiple pitchers? If it were a perfect game CC was working on instead of just a "no-no", would Joe have done this?
Maybe it's good that CC didn't get the no-no, that would've been terrible if he were denied the chance.
I don't care what anyone says. If CC got that final out in the 8th, i'd bet my life he'd be in there for the 9th. Alot of times managers say differently especially after it's broken up but no way in hell would Girardi upset George and Co. by removing CC with a no no. Especially considering he was averaging about 15 pitches an inning.
I don't care what anyone says. If CC got that final out in the 8th, i'd bet my life he'd be in there for the 9th.
I absolutely agree with this.
All managers of the Yankees know they aren't just managing a team. They're managing various personalities, managing the media, and also managing ownership. That's why Torre lasted as long as he did, and it's why Girardi will probably have the job for as long as he wants it. These guys are great at all of the above. Of course, part of their job is telling a little fib every now and then. In this case, Girardi minimizes C.C. losing the no-no, because he wasn't going to get to finish it anyway. Takes whatever small amount of huffing and puffing people will do over this off of the player and puts it on the manager, where it belongs, at least in the New York media.
And even in April, 111 pitches is nothing for C.C. Sabathia.
Well, CC did say in another article he was going to fight it. Personally, deep inside I don't think he was getting pulled unless someone got a hit, but I do think the day is coming where someone on a no-hitter is pulled due to pitch counts. Some no-hitters (Andy Hawkins' wild 4-0 no-hit loss in 1990 comes to mind, though under rules changed since then it doesn't count as one anyway since with the opposing team being the home team they didn't have to bat in the ninth) involved a large amount of pitches that no game has seen in an individual pitcher for 2 decades, like 150 or more. I'm waiting for the day this happens and the debate ensues. It may even happen for a perfect game, but I doubt that because A) that is truly rare and historic far more than a "mere" no-hitter, and B) I can't imagine a perfect game having much more than 150 pitches, 27 full counts with no fouls is 189 pitches (including the 3rd strike or resulting hit ball) and obviously not all counts get that for.
C.C. did say he would have fought it, but that's still part of the dance the players and managers do, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's mostly about managing the media. Manager takes what little heat there is, pitcher stays stong, and the team won anyway; so in a day or two it's not even talked about again.
C.C. Sabathia is a rock. He could do the exact same thing in his next start, or the one after that. Still, we live in an era now where there is a 24 hour a day seven days per week news cycle, and that includes sports. The players and personnel understand that they are going to be asked more questions than ever before, and they have to be ready to answer. Still, the game on the field hasn't changed that much. If he doesn't give up that hit, you can be sure C.C. isn't coming out of that game.
Well, CC did say in another article he was going to fight it. Personally, deep inside I don't think he was getting pulled unless someone got a hit, but I do think the day is coming where someone on a no-hitter is pulled due to pitch counts. Some no-hitters (Andy Hawkins' wild 4-0 no-hit loss in 1990 comes to mind, though under rules changed since then it doesn't count as one anyway since with the opposing team being the home team they didn't have to bat in the ninth) involved a large amount of pitches that no game has seen in an individual pitcher for 2 decades, like 150 or more. I'm waiting for the day this happens and the debate ensues. It may even happen for a perfect game, but I doubt that because A) that is truly rare and historic far more than a "mere" no-hitter, and B) I can't imagine a perfect game having much more than 150 pitches, 27 full counts with no fouls is 189 pitches (including the 3rd strike or resulting hit ball) and obviously not all counts get that for.
I remember watching this game. It was loaded with FOG and I remember errors galore because of it. I think Mel Hall was in on one of them.
Maybe it's good that CC didn't get the no-no, that would've been terrible if he were denied the chance.
There have been seven no-hitters that were pitched by two to seven different pitchers.
Is it really worth risking your ace in order to get a no-hitter? Look at what happened last year after Buehrle's perfect game - five or six ineffective starts.
There have been seven no-hitters that were pitched by two to seven different pitchers.
Is it really worth risking your ace in order to get a no-hitter? Look at what happened last year after Buehrle's perfect game - five or six ineffective starts.
That happened by chance,it's not a rule and throwing 15-20 more pitches probably wouldn't have any long term adverse affects on CC's arm.
There have been seven no-hitters that were pitched by two to seven different pitchers.
Is it really worth risking your ace in order to get a no-hitter? Look at what happened last year after Buehrle's perfect game - five or six ineffective starts.
Buehrle goes through streches like that all the time, it had nothing to do with his perfect game. He throws a lot of strikes, and frankly doesn't have A+ stuff. Balls get put in play with Buehrle, sometimes they are all grounders, other times he gets smacked around. He actually seems to do pretty well with high pitch counts and has been one of the most consistent innings eaters over the last decade. He is about the worst example you could pick about a pitcher wearing down after going 9 innings.
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