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Got it, right here! I bought an older Chevy for that very reason. It's 'un-loaded'.
Key copies cost a couple dollars but nobody's gonna steal that thing. I leave it unlocked with keys in it all the time.
A key costs a couple of bucks. A push button starter requires a remote costing a couple hundred bucks.
If the battery in the fob dies, you're SOL but a key still works.
Amazingly enough, not everyone believes that every new doohickey or "advancement" actually constitutes an improvement.
30 years ago I could have the keys for two cars and one house on a small ring - three flat brass keys altogether. Now I have to have a separate little ring for each fob, and they take up a lot more space in my pocket. Plus I now have yet another annual maintenance task to pry all six fobs (for our three cars) apart and put new batteries, which was never needed.
Yes, I understand the convenience of being able to lock the car with a button push; I am willing to accept (though I'm not totally convinced) that the new stuff may be more theft-resistant; but I never had the least trouble locking a car by pushing down the little buttons, and between my wife and me with about 102 years combined driving experience we've never had a car stolen or even attempted, so theft prevention really isn't at the top of my priority list.
If the battery in the fob dies, you're SOL but a key still works.
Amazingly enough, not everyone believes that every new doohickey or "advancement" actually constitutes an improvement.
30 years ago I could have the keys for two cars and one house on a small ring - three flat brass keys altogether. Now I have to have a separate little ring for each fob, and they take up a lot more space in my pocket. Plus I now have yet another annual maintenance task to pry all six fobs (for our three cars) apart and put new batteries, which was never needed.
Yes, I understand the convenience of being able to lock the car with a button push; I am willing to accept (though I'm not totally convinced) that the new stuff may be more theft-resistant; but I never had the least trouble locking a car by pushing down the little buttons, and between my wife and me with about 102 years combined driving experience we've never had a car stolen or even attempted, so theft prevention really isn't at the top of my priority list.
If the battery is dying, you know as it will work only intermittently. Most FOB's have a key inside them to open the door with and if you hold the FOB up close to the steering column, it should start. Now if you ignore the signs, it's on you for doing so.
If the battery in the fob dies, you're SOL but a key still works.
What brand car do you drive that doesnt have a key in the fob? My last couple cars with push button all had keys inside the fob that could be pulled out. I thought most of those did that so that a driver is NOT SOL.
If the battery in the fob dies, you're SOL but a key still works.
Plus I now have yet another annual maintenance task to pry all six fobs (for our three cars) apart and put new batteries, which was never needed.
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Ok, you are wrong on both concerns.
1. If my GMC Yukon has a dead key, you insert it in the center console and it will start even if the battery is dead/missing whatever. BMW tells you to position the dead key near the dash and it will recognize/car will start.
2. I've had about a dozen fob operated vehicles and only ONE needed a battery in less than 4-5 years. it was a Porsche 911 and if the keys were stored too close to the vehicle it would kill the fob battery in a few months. The fob was always "blinking" even if the keys were on the kitchen counter, car was in the garage on the other side of the wall. New house/different 911 and its not an issue, garage is 60+ feet away from the kitchen. The Yukon mentioned above is 5 yrs old and one fob still has the original battery, the other made it to about the 4 yr mark.
A key costs a couple of bucks. A push button starter requires a remote costing a couple hundred bucks.
Most cars for the last two decades have chips imbedded, so no longer are keys a couple of bucks.
FYI, We have a 2019 Crosstrek Premium with manual transmission and a key start, not push button. The key has a transponder embedded in it, so quite costly to replace.
A key costs a couple of bucks. A push button starter requires a remote costing a couple hundred bucks.
A) That's why they give you 2. I actually bought a 3rd on eBay for $100.
B) Most cars that do come with keys also have a chip in the key that the car will recognize as belonging to it. Another anti theft measure. No key is 'a couple of bucks' on any car made in the last 5 years.
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Key copies cost a couple dollars
Again, no they don't. It's not 1995 anymore.
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If the battery in the fob dies, you're SOL but a key still works.
As already stated, untrue. My Mazda battery could be dead completely if I somehow missed the 3 weeks of it telling me it needs replaced. I just hold it next to the push button and it will start the car. Batteries lasted 5 years before I needed to replace.
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Amazingly enough, not everyone believes that every new doohickey or "advancement" actually constitutes an improvement.
Amazingly, a lot of these things actually do improve our lives!
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30 years ago I could have the keys for two cars and one house on a small ring - three flat brass keys altogether.
Today I don't even NEED a house key. I have pin code locks on every door. My wife doesn't need a house key and just keeps a car key in her purse. Never needs to remove it. All I need to carry is one key fob. LOVE IT.
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Now I have to have a separate little ring for each fob, and they take up a lot more space in my pocket.
I have no rings on my fobs, again, because I don't need house keys. I do not miss a pocket full of keys stabbing me.
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Plus I now have yet another annual maintenance task to pry all six fobs (for our three cars) apart and put new batteries, which was never needed.
That's just you being terrified that your battery will die on you with no warning. Annually? ALL 3 of my cars have batteries in fobs and they last MINIMUM 5 years. Well, not sure about the newest one because I only just bought it. But I'll bet it goes at least 3 years.
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I never had the least trouble locking a car by pushing down the little buttons, and between my wife and me with about 102 years combined driving experience we've never had a car stolen or even attempted, so theft prevention really isn't at the top of my priority list.
Actually agree with those. Not on my list at all. But again, keys have chips today too, so they ain't all that cheap.
Amazingly, a lot of these things actually do improve our lives!
Today I don't even NEED a house key. I have pin code locks on every door. My wife doesn't need a house key and just keeps a car key in her purse. Never needs to remove it. All I need to carry is one key fob. LOVE IT.
I have no rings on my fobs, again, because I don't need house keys. I do not miss a pocket full of keys stabbing me.
I have a car with a pair of keys - the doors use one key and the ignition is different! Pretty normal until the 70s. But yeah, progress is bad
I'm stuck with a lot of keys. My RI office and car use a fob. But my MA office has a suite door and a street door key AND a bathroom key!
I have a car with a pair of keys - the doors use one key and the ignition is different! Pretty normal until the 70s. But yeah, progress is bad
I remember those days too, my friend.
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