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Old 06-19-2013, 08:16 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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Why aren't many manufacturing making frameless doors anymore? Example Subaru, who used to make all their cars with frameless doors.

Also isn't frameless door logical? As the frame in most doors maintains stationary and only the door moves?.. The doors are also lighter this way.

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Old 06-19-2013, 08:19 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX USA
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I would assume it has to do with safety and the rigidity of the door.
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Prosper
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I still see plenty of cars with "frameless" doors. Don't think they are disappearing at all.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:26 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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My Genesis Coupe has frameless windows. I think the frameless look is better suited towards coupes while sedans should retain the frame on all four doors. I'm betting it's also easier/less expensive to provide a proper window seal with a frame design.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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With frameless doors you have some idiots that like to push the door closed using the window. I have to tell people closing the door on my Firebird "don't push the window".
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Reminds me of why I would never own one again. I had a new 71 Dodge Monaco 2 door that was a hiway eating dude. As I was coming thru a pass in West Texas I met an oncoming 18 wheeler that was doing the same thing I was- hauling ass. When he passed, the air blast blew the passenger window out of the car. It wasn't just the glass but all of the window channels had to be replaced. It never worked right after that despite the dealer adjusting and readjusting many times. I won't have another one.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:39 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Reminds me of why I would never own one again. I had a new 71 Dodge Monaco 2 door that was a hiway eating dude. As I was coming thru a pass in West Texas I met an oncoming 18 wheeler that was doing the same thing I was- hauling ass. When he passed, the air blast blew the passenger window out of the car. It wasn't just the glass but all of the window channels had to be replaced. It never worked right after that despite the dealer adjusting and readjusting many times. I won't have another one.
The difference is that this is 2013. Hell my 1995 Nissan 300ZX had frameless windows and they held on just fine even at 145mph.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:54 AM
 
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Someone will probably come up with an exception, but by and large cars with frameless doors are a lot easier to break into.

Ever own, say, a 2-door Dodge Neon? If you lock your keys in it, just pry on the top of the glass. You can get your whole arm in there!
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Prosper
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Someone will probably come up with an exception, but by and large cars with frameless doors are a lot easier to break into.

Ever own, say, a 2-door Dodge Neon? If you lock your keys in it, just pry on the top of the glass. You can get your whole arm in there!
Cheaper cars this may be a problem, but more expensive ones now extend into the upper roof of the car. When you grab the door handle, the window comes down slightly to let you open the door, when you close it, it moves back up about half an inch.

Not sure who started that, but I know Mercedes has had it since the early 90's.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:20 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Cheaper cars this may be a problem, but more expensive ones now extend into the upper roof of the car. When you grab the door handle, the window comes down slightly to let you open the door, when you close it, it moves back up about half an inch.

Not sure who started that, but I know Mercedes has had it since the early 90's.
My car does this too but I assumed it was to provide a better seal around the window. I had to open the door once with the battery disconnected as I was working on the car and it is definitely more difficult to open when the window didn't drop down a bit. It actually made a loud pop noise as I forcefully broke the seal.
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