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1. Increasing the retirement age is extremely unpopular and is likely to further depress the birth rate as most couples are dependent on their grandparents to help taking care of their kids. Chinese work hours are not compatible with raising kids, so someone needs to stop working to take care of the kid.
2. Not allowing age discrimination is easier said than done.
If couples continue to have only one child there are four grandparents with that one child to help with. It is likely that one could stop working. Also, as many couples have their one child in their thirties, as often did the parents, the grandparents would be in their seventies and well able to retire.
Increasing the retirement age will benefit most older people so they can work full or part time like 60 to 80 years old in Japan and HK. Agree need grandparents or a relative to take care of kids when workers work in another province instead of near homes in China.
The age range requirement of jobs will no longer be common when young people decrease. This will happen first in the rural areas and small cities where most young people have left for the large cities.
Some older generations have this idea of marrying a foreigner man will bring benefits such as moving to a country with higher income and better welfare. This was and is more common among women with higher education not most chinese women. But this is considered gold digging. weird or outdated by modern young chinese women.
If couples continue to have only one child there are four grandparents with that one child to help with. It is likely that one could stop working. Also, as many couples have their one child in their thirties, as often did the parents, the grandparents would be in their seventies and well able to retire.
The average age to get a kid in China is currently at 28.8 and it was about 26 for their grandparents. That means the age of the grandparents is likely to be 54.8 when they get their first kid, not in the seventies.
Having one grandparent stop working wouldn't work, because how do you decide which side should sacrifice their income? The most likely outcome of increased retirement age is that the mother stops working for several years. Many women doesn't want to give up their careers and some families cannot afford to stop working, so that would further depress the fertility rate.
Increasing the retirement age will benefit most older people so they can work full or part time like 60 to 80 years old in Japan and HK.
It is not uncommon in China to keep working after retirement, and the low retirement age makes it cheaper for the employer to keep their old workers, as they don't need to pay for social security benefits for retired employees.
And I don't share your confidence that agism will be reduced significantly just because the number of young workers drop.
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Agree need grandparents or a relative to take care of kids when workers work in another province instead of near homes in China.
Even if they live in the same province, they will still need someone to take care of the kids. It is common to get 4 to 5 months maternity leave, but kids usually stay home till they are 2 to 3 years old.
And it doesn't get much better after the kid start in kindergarten and primary school, since it usually close at 4. Employees usually leave work at 5 to 6 and commute for 1 hour. Parents don't have time to pick up their kids.
That is why most families in China need their grandparent to help take care of their child.
They will probably evolve to a flexible model that happens here for childcare. Most women get at least six months paid childcare provided by their employer and then the government provides an additional few months on minimum wages. Many companies provide parental leave which men can access.
So it is common for a woman to take about ten months or more, followed by the father of the child. Then often a grandparent, one from each side, are able to mind the child one or two days a week and the child can go to subsidised childcare for the balance.
There are all sorts of models around the world. I do understand that China has the additional problem of workers often living in the cities and their parents in the country. But obviously the babies are currently being looked after and I think the barrier to them having bigger families is more the expectations for children later on.
They will probably evolve to a flexible model that happens here for childcare. Most women get at least six months paid childcare provided by their employer and then the government provides an additional few months on minimum wages. Many companies provide parental leave which men can access.
So it is common for a woman to take about ten months or more, followed by the father of the child. Then often a grandparent, one from each side, are able to mind the child one or two days a week and the child can go to subsidised childcare for the balance.
There are all sorts of models around the world. I do understand that China has the additional problem of workers often living in the cities and their parents in the country. But obviously the babies are currently being looked after and I think the barrier to them having bigger families is more the expectations for children later on.
Xi Jinping holds the view that adopting welfarism could negatively impact China. He fears it might reduce work ethic and slow economic growth, thereby weakening China's position. Furthermore, he takes minimal action to prevent companies from overworking their staff or discriminating against women. Welfare in China typically relies on local government funding. However, many local governments face substantial debt due to excessive infrastructure investments. Additionally, there's a cultural belief in China that children should be nurtured at home until they are 2 to 3 years old, with families investing heavily in their upbringing. Therefore, while the welfare ideas from Australia might be appealing, it's unlikely China will adopt them.
In China, it's common for grandparents, particularly grandmothers due to their earlier retirement age, to take care of babies. Raising the retirement age could lead to more mothers being forced to become full-time caregivers, potentially worsening the already low fertility rate.
However, I do support an increase in the retirement age in China, as the current age is unsustainable. But it's important to understand that this isn't a simple fix. Increasing the retirement age without addressing other issues could lead China down a path similar to South Korea, which has an extremely low fertility rate of 0.8.
Xi Jinping holds the view that adopting welfarism could negatively impact China. He fears it might reduce work ethic and slow economic growth, thereby weakening China's position. Furthermore, he takes minimal action to prevent companies from overworking their staff or discriminating against women.
Outlawing private tutoring and cram schools didn't help parents either. All it did was drive the industry underground and reduce class sizes, so private tutors could sneak in under the government radar. It used to be that most Chinese children went to affordable cram schools. Now only the richest families can afford it.
You couldn't have engineered a better destabilizing wealth-based anti-meritocratic anti-education filter if you tried.
Is part-time work very common in China? Or taking extended leave? If the wish is to have family to look after the only grandchild, there is only a period of two to three years to be covered. Nothing like the situation like my friend here with twelve grandkids!
Is part-time work very common in China? Or taking extended leave? If the wish is to have family to look after the only grandchild, there is only a period of two to three years to be covered. Nothing like the situation like my friend here with twelve grandkids!
It is not uncommon for mothers to take extended leave, but it will ruin her career. Part time work is not common and average work hours is 49 hours per week.
It shrank because there are more old people than kids due to higher birth rates before and during the second world war.
The less educated youths continue to marry and have at least 1 child. The drop is in the cities and among college educated couples.
It is natural for the birth rate decreases when a place becomes richer. So China will have lower birth rates than South and Southeast Asia, becoming the 2nd most poupulous country instead of 1st while remaining in the top 2nd in GDP for the near future.
Right now Mainland China still has many young people in the labour force unlike Japan, HK and Taiwan.
Copium lol. When Japan, HK and Taiwan were at China's level the demographic problem didn't exist at all. China's birth rate is as low as all of its neighbours now but it's about 1/3-1/5 as rich.
China's only prospect is the Soviet Union.
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