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Honestly, I think parts of Canada are like england as well as the people. THey have streets called "brighton" and "bradford" etc.. reminds me of home when i drive around.
Plus, the supermarkets are well stuffed with UK produce - such as mushy peas, HP sauce, cadbury's chocloats etc.,
And they watch Coronation Street.
There is actually far more trade (in terms of its % of GDP) and tourism (% of total tourists) between both the US and Canada and the UK than there is between the UK and Aus or NZ.
Aussies and even Kiwis are a far more diverse lot compared to Brits and the Irish; it's just a reflection of their more socially and physically diverse nations.
I don't think you realise how 'diverse' Britain is in the 21st century!
Aussies and even Kiwis are a far more diverse lot compared to Brits and the Irish; it's just a reflection of their more socially and physically diverse nations.
Seriously, the foreign born and first generation percentage of the UK's population is much lower than Australia's, and has been for generations. To suggest that Australia is less diverse than Ireland is, well, total and utter nonsense. Add to that two very distinct indigenous populations; three if you recognise how different Tasmanian Aboriginals are from their mainland counterparts.
Seriously, the foreign born and first generation percentage of the UK's population is much lower than Australia's, and has been for generations. To suggest that Australia is less diverse than Ireland is, well, total and utter nonsense. Add to that two very distinct indigenous populations; three if you recognise how different Tasmanian Aboriginals are from their mainland counterparts.
Although this is not a response to me, I still feel that you somewhat 'under-estimate' just how diverse 21st century Britain is, it is possible that this is the case the 'other way' too.
There is actually far more trade (in terms of its % of GDP) and tourism (% of total tourists) between both the US and Canada and the UK than there is between the UK and Aus or NZ.
This has something to do with geographic distances, I'm sure...
Seriously, the foreign born and first generation percentage of the UK's population is much lower than Australia's, and has been for generations. To suggest that Australia is less diverse than Ireland is, well, total and utter nonsense. Add to that two very distinct indigenous populations; three if you recognise how different Tasmanian Aboriginals are from their mainland counterparts.
Whether you agree with the study or not, you're not making much sense.
From what I gather, your argument is that Australia lacks a connection with Britain or Ireland because it's more "diverse".
Canada is significantly more "diverse" than Australia, yet you've implied that Canada is closer to Britain than Australia is.
Why does Australia's diversity separate it so much from Britain for you, while Canada's even greater diversity doesn't?
Whether you agree with the study or not, you're not making much sense.
From what I gather, your argument is that Australia lacks a connection with Britain or Ireland because it's more "diverse".
Canada is significantly more "diverse" than Australia, yet you've implied that Canada is closer to Britain than Australia is.
Why does Australia's diversity separate it so much from Britain for you, while Canada's even greater diversity doesn't?
Diversity matters because the more diverse a population is, the less realistic it is to say that are ‘similar’ to any particular national stereotype. And of course that diversity also directly impacts on the the range of views, attitudes and behaviour of a society.
It’s not only recent migration that matter, but the accumulated influence of past migration waves as well. Countries like Australia have seen wave after wave of immigration from across the globe, and those influences all accumulate. In Australia’s case, 28% of the population was born elsewhere (for Canada its about 21%), the vast majority from countries other than the UK. That number again have one or more migrants parents. The remainder of the population largely trace their ancestry to other waves of migration over the last two centuries (the UK, the Irish particularly after the potato famine, Germans, ‘Afghans’, Chinese, Japanese, ethnic Greeks from the Ottoman empire, WWII refugees from eastern Europe. etc ).
Trade and the movement of people for holidays/vacations matter, because its those interactions and impacts that also form and shape people’s views of the world, attitudes and behaviours. Distance significantly shapes both these. Australia’s most popular recreational travel destinations are East Asia, the US, New Zealand and Canada. Australia’s trade is largely with other pacific rim countries. A lot of Australians are pretty ‘switched onto’ Asian culture.
The scale of a nation and its geographic diversity matter too, because they shape the day to day realities of life that underpin views, attitudes and behaviours. Countries like the UK and Ireland are well, tiny and ‘monochrome’ compared to Australia, Canada etc, If you live in a remote part of the Northern Territory, your day to day life is vastly different than if you live in a city in the South. People in Melbourne don't need to worry about cyclones, crocodiles, wild water buffalo or tropical diseases carried by mosquitoes and have help close at hand if needed, so they are a lot less ‘survivalist’ in mentality.
Indigenous populations add to a nation's diversity, and influence its character and views through the impacts of a shared history, with is positive and negative moments. That impacts through direct person to person contact, understanding of ingenious culture and issues, or simply aspects of indigenous culture that have been incorporated into the mainstream or are routinely acknowledged by wider society. About 4% of Australia’s population identify as either Torres Strait Islander, Mainland Aboriginal or Tasmanian Aboriginal. More have a degree of indigenous ancestry, even if they don’t identify as indigenous or list is as one of their two ancestries in a census.
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Diversity matters because the more diverse a population is, the less realistic it is to say that are ‘similar’ to any particular national stereotype. And of course that diversity also directly impacts on the the range of views, attitudes and behaviour of a society.
Then why did you make the "stiff upper lip" comment about Canadians?
Assuming that what you say about diversity is true, then the notion that Canada is more "British" than Australia would be inaccurate.
From Australia's foreign-born population, almost 1.2 million were born in the UK (2011 Australian Census).
From Canada's foreign-born population, under 560,000 were born in the UK (2011 Canadian Census/NHS).
Almost 20% of Australia's foreign-born population is from the UK, compared to a little under 8% from the UK in Canada (2011 Australian Census; 2011 Canadian Census/NHS).
The UK is the largest source of foreign-borns in Australia, followed by New Zealand (2011 Australian Census).
China is the largest source of foreign-borns in Canada, followed by India (2011 Canadian Census/NHS).
Australia might have a higher foreign-born population percentage, but its foreign-born population doesn't seem as diverse as Canada's.
It also seems like Australians of Anglo-Celtic descent account for a larger percentage of Australia's overall population than Canadians of Anglo-Celtic descent do for Canada's overall population.
Both countries are diverse, but Canada is more so. I don't understand how you can admit to Canadians sharing some similarities with the British, but are adamant that Australia has little or no connection. I think you are in denial.
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Originally Posted by Bakery Hill
Indigenous populations add to a nation's diversity, and influence its character and views through the impacts of a shared history, with is positive and negative moments. That impacts through direct person to person contact, understanding of ingenious culture and issues, or simply aspects of indigenous culture that have been incorporated into the mainstream or are routinely acknowledged by wider society. About 4% of Australia’s population identify as either Torres Strait Islander, Mainland Aboriginal or Tasmanian Aboriginal. More have a degree of indigenous ancestry, even if they don’t identify as indigenous or list is as one of their two ancestries in a census.
Australia's Indigenous population is 3%, compared to 4.3% in Canada (2011 Australian Census; 2011 Canadian Census/NHS).
Many different ethnocultural groups have contributed to modern Australia, but its Anglo-Celtic past has provided the framework, and has shaped the dominant culture and identity. To disagree with that is to disagree with history.
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