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Old 08-17-2023, 11:29 AM
 
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Like I said whatever is built 5 stories or higher has a much larger impact on the consciousness of the people in the neighborhood of those who can see it ...therefore the energy impact is much bigger. Buildings 4 stories or shorter have a smaller consciousness impact and only change the energy of the immediate area around the building. 5 stories or taller the energy impact goes out much further in the surrounding neighborhood . This is based on my own subjective observations.
Ok, but what is an example of what you are referring to? This isn't necessarily a "right or wrong" thing, but what are some examples that you are referring to and where would such developments work in the area? I ask, because you don't necessarily have to have buildings that tall to impact the "consciousness" of people or to have a positive "energy". I think of a personal example when I was in college was Grand River Avenue in East Lansing MI, which until recently hardly had any buildings over 5 stories(if at all). There was plenty of "energy" on the street due to having a critical mass of people nearby to walk to businesses worth walking to. From 2007: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7337...1664?entry=ttu (was there a good while before this shot)

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Old 08-17-2023, 12:30 PM
 
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What I'm saying is one 5 story tall building raises the energy of a whole street if it is beautiful rather than a 4 story building that just impacts the immediate surrounding. For some reason 5 stories high becomes a much more larger presence than 4 stories high. I don't know why this is, just something I noticed.
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Old 08-17-2023, 12:32 PM
 
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What I'm saying is one 5 story tall building raises the energy of a whole street if it is beautiful rather than a 4 story building that just impacts the immediate surrounding. For some reason 5 stories high becomes a much more larger presence than 4 stories high. I don't know why this is, just something I noticed.
I get what you said. I'm just asking for an example of what you are referring to and where in the area this could work. That's all.

For instance, this was an idea for such a building on Westcott Street: https://www.syracuse.com/business/20...tt-street.html
https://www.syracuse.com/resizer/7w_...GCOKKSVA5Q.jpg

This could be a good idea, if they could fill in the Dorian's area with the pizza shop on the bottom floor: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0409...8192?entry=ttu

Ironically, it isn't ever 5 floors, but would likely get the same or a positive impact that you are referring to and parking would likely have to be in the back here: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0411...8192?entry=ttu (perhaps have another level, with a walkway to the building)

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Old 08-17-2023, 06:05 PM
 
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I do like that proposal for Westcott.

Here are examples from Southend in Charlotte, North Carolina

https://youtu.be/7lltwUMS1Fo

https://youtu.be/-SoX_DzhkNY

https://youtu.be/NwCmgH9cOwE

A similar type of neighborhood could be developed just north of Syracuse University.
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Old 08-17-2023, 08:21 PM
 
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Company Vice President Vittorio Pascarella said he expects the first 20 of 90 apartments planned for the first phase to be ready for occupancy by the end of the year. Another 100 apartments are planned for a future phase in the rear of the property.

https://www.syracuse.com/business/20...-ny-state.html

I like the design.
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Old 08-17-2023, 09:55 PM
 
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I do like that proposal for Westcott.

Here are examples from Southend in Charlotte, North Carolina

https://youtu.be/7lltwUMS1Fo

https://youtu.be/-SoX_DzhkNY

https://youtu.be/NwCmgH9cOwE

A similar type of neighborhood could be developed just north of Syracuse University.
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Company Vice President Vittorio Pascarella said he expects the first 20 of 90 apartments planned for the first phase to be ready for occupancy by the end of the year. Another 100 apartments are planned for a future phase in the rear of the property.

https://www.syracuse.com/business/20...-ny-state.html

I like the design.
In terms of the South End, the new buildings are nice(somewhat cookie cutter on the outside for some), but seem to be randomly placed. You are already seeing a bunch of newer housing largely for students pop up around East Genesee and East Fayette Streets, with some businesses coming along as well. So, that area, which was supposed to have Loguen Landing in place of the former Kennedy Square Apartments, is basically becoming a gentrified area that caters largely to students and some medical/professionals.

As for the apartments at the former Will & Baumer facility, it is about time given that there have been plans for housing there for a decade or so. Its proximity to Destiny USA, the Transportation Center, NBT Bank Stadium and the Regional Market doesn’t hurt either.
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Old 08-18-2023, 09:11 PM
 
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Why do the proposed renderings look so nice compared to what was actually built?

https://www.taylorthebuilders.com/pr...ce-apartments/

I like the proposed design but what made them change from the original design?

I looked at the Wellington Place apartments on Google earth and it is plain ugly and not symmetrical. Does very little to raise the vibration of the neighborhood. Might actually lesson the energy.

If I was the City of Syracuse I'd banned these developers from ever building in Syracuse again. The building is a disgrace to Syracuse.

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Old 08-18-2023, 09:38 PM
 
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Even this much uglier rendering of the Wellington Place Apartments...now called The Laurel...looks better than what was built.

https://www.passero.com/projects/wel...ace-apartments

At least there is some symmetry to the color pattern and window size.

In the Google Earth view of the almost finished building of Wellington Place Apartments ...now called the laurel...all the window sizes are different so it isn't symmetrical and all the colors on the facade of the building are all over the place so it isn't symmetrical.

It is so ugly they won't even show a real picture of it... only a computer rendering that looks nothing like the finished building.

Here is the website

https://www.thelaurelsyracuse.com/

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Old 08-18-2023, 10:08 PM
 
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Why do the proposed renderings look so nice compared to what was actually built?

https://www.taylorthebuilders.com/pr...ce-apartments/

I like the proposed design but what made them change from the original design?

I looked at the Wellington Place apartments on Google earth and it is plain ugly and not symmetrical. Does very little to raise the vibration of the neighborhood. Might actually lesson the energy.

If I was the City of Syracuse I'd banned these developers from ever building in Syracuse again. The building is a disgrace to Syracuse.
Why? The actual building isn't that much different from the second rendering. Regardless, the "vibration" is going to increase regardless of if the building appeals to people or not, as more and more people and businesses are coming to that area.
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Old 08-18-2023, 10:30 PM
 
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Students won't want to stay in the Syracuse area after graduation if they live around ugly neighborhoods filled with ugly buildings.

Seven of the new SU student apartments are plain ugly and everyone that has any sense of beauty will know they are ugly. Ugliness is what repels people from living places. I would never move to a neighborhood filled with buildings that ugly because it can bring down your mood without even knowing why. It looks as though Syracuse is trying to make ugly buildings cool. I'm sorry but ugliness will never be cool. People seek beauty and will continue to move to cities that look more beautiful than Syracuse.
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