12-14-2023, 06:43 AM
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Seems kinda excessive just for one 17-gate terminal. I know there are other aspects the general public won’t “see”, but I’m thinking this terminal better be on par with the top 10 airports in the world. Am I missing something here (I am no expert in these kinda projects and $$ involved)?
12-14-2023, 09:29 AM
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The City's website lists the following as the scope of work:
12-14-2023, 07:36 PM
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Remington Steel
Seems kinda excessive just for one 17-gate terminal. I know there are other aspects the general public won’t “see”, but I’m thinking this terminal better be on par with the top 10 airports in the world. Am I missing something here (I am no expert in these kinda projects and $$ involved)?
A world-class airport costs world-class money. $1.4b is nothing in comparison to the largest and best airports in the world.
Doha was $15b+
Singapore was $2b when constructed back in 2014.
Mumbai at $2.3b
San Diego Upgrade/Update at $2.6b
Beijing at $17b
The list goes on and on.
My concern is that they don't yet have the full funding for this airport and haven't yet proposed the plan as to how they'll pay for all of it, including the overages (which are likely).
SAT needs updating as it's a podunk facility. I'm all for these new plans, but this wouldn't be the first time they've made big promises for new airport terminals that never see the light of day. If they're going to do this, they need to get it right the first time. It's nice to see city council smarten up and find out-of-city contractors who know how to handle these very specialized projects.
And for the record, the whole project is projected to cost about $2.5b... That's including the very large 800,000+ sq ft new terminal.
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12-16-2023, 03:33 PM
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Hopefully they can use that capacity to get more travel to Europe. The seasonal Condor flight is a good step, but it will hopefully be better someday.
12-17-2023, 12:21 AM
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Quote:
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Remington Steel
Seems kinda excessive just for one 17-gate terminal. I know there are other aspects the general public won’t “see”, but I’m thinking this terminal better be on par with the top 10 airports in the world. Am I missing something here (I am no expert in these kinda projects and $$ involved)?
Top 10 airports in the world? 1.7B doesn’t even equate to a top 20 airport in the US
12-17-2023, 08:11 AM
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ParaguaneroSwag
Top 10 airports in the world? 1.7B doesn’t even equate to a top 20 airport in the US
OK...geez.
12-18-2023, 07:54 AM
Location: USA
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ParaguaneroSwag
Top 10 airports in the world? 1.7B doesn’t even equate to a top 20 airport in the US
It would rank in the top 10. Portland just got a new main terminal at 1.5 billion and Pittsburg at 1.4 billion. LAX has such a larger investment it takes the 4 of the top 10 spots in 2023 totaling 30 billion.
SAT is a mid sized airport and we don't need nor have room for a massive new airport. Until Austin and San Antonio can get together and create a large airport to serve the region it will not happen. (And was already know this will never happen)
12-18-2023, 08:16 AM
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rynetwo
It would rank in the top 10. Portland just got a new main terminal at 1.5 billion and Pittsburg at 1.4 billion. LAX has such a larger investment it takes the 4 of the top 10 spots in 2023 totaling 30 billion.
It would be nice if we had an airport shared with Austin. Much like Seatac (Seattle-Tacoma).
12-18-2023, 10:22 PM
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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rynetwo
It would rank in the top 10. Portland just got a new main terminal at 1.5 billion and Pittsburg at 1.4 billion. LAX has such a larger investment it takes the 4 of the top 10 spots in 2023 totaling 30 billion.
No. It would not rank top 10. You don’t have to look past this state to see grander expansions going on IAH’s new terminal’s price tag is $2 billion. And that’s just one of a few they have going on. DFW’s terminal F project is also higher than $1.7 billion.
The price tag in for the terminal San Antonio isn’t top 10 in the US let alone the world
12-19-2023, 06:02 AM
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rynetwo
It would rank in the top 10. Portland just got a new main terminal at 1.5 billion and Pittsburg at 1.4 billion. LAX has such a larger investment it takes the 4 of the top 10 spots in 2023 totaling 30 billion.
I realize that building an airport is a complex project….political considerations, financial considerations, etc. But from the 30,000 foot level, it seems that building an airport between SA and Austin might be pretty sensible, and could benefit both cities.
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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