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The Bible claims many things. It claims for example there was light and darkness / day and night before there was a sun or moon, since god created those two "lights" after the first day, which consisted of "evening and morning". It doesn't prove or substantiate that this was so, much less explain how that could even be ... it just claims it was so.
As Phet pointed out, it claims a person turned into salt, that there was a talking snake and a talking donkey, etc.
Inerrantists / literalists have the burden of believing such statements as literally true simply because they are in the holy book, contrary to humanity's current knowledge base. Virtually anyone else has to admit that such things are allegory or metaphor or symbolism or legend (or simply fiction).
It claims for example there was light and darkness / day and night before there was a sun or moon,
The way I heard it was that the expanse of space and celestial bodies that abode therein were created during the period referred unto as the first day;
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen 1:3
which concluded when visible light appeared.
And God saw the light, that it was good:Gen 1:4
So you have the darkness of space without visible light and then beginning of visible light
And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen. 1:5
So the measure between evening (darkness) and morning (light) is what defines a day
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Originally Posted by mordant
since god created those two "lights" after the first day, which consisted of "evening and morning".
So I take it you are referring unto the two great lights that God made during the period referred unto as the fourth day.
And God made two great lights; Gen 1:16
Well, when the visible light was divided from the invisible light there were two great lights Night and Day.
The way I heard it was that the expanse of space and celestial bodies that abode therein were created during the period referred unto as the first day;
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen 1:3
which concluded when visible light appeared.
And God saw the light, that it was good:Gen 1:4
So you have the darkness of space without visible light and then beginning of visible light
And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen. 1:5
So the measure between evening (darkness) and morning (light) is what defines a day
So I take it you are referring unto the two great lights that God made during the period referred unto as the fourth day.
And God made two great lights; Gen 1:16
Well, when the visible light was divided from the invisible light there were two great lights Night and Day.
Well there is the problem of whether the days were literal days or metaphorical ones. I was addressing them from the literalist viewpoint, which means if there was a day delineated by literal night / day, that would require the sun (at a minimum) and it sounds like the author is completely ignorant about matters celestial. More exactly the writing is consistent with the Hebrew cosmology -- the notion of a dome-like "firmament" carrying the stars, the sun and moon, resting on the "pillars of the earth", etc.
It is pretty hard to take the unforced meaning of the words with any degree of "this really happened as described" literalness and still tap dance around the problems in the text.
And yes I was referring to the "two great lights" which would be the sun (greater light to rule the day) and moon (lesser light to rule the night).
The Holy Spirit is the part of God that comes to our "realm" to interact with humans. It describes the transformation of another form that God becomes. There's God in his pure complete form, then there is the form called the Holy Spirit that allows the spirit of God to interact with humans by various means, then there's Jesus who God created as a means for his spirit to inhabit so that he could be in human form.
We have inside of our flesh/bodies, a spirit/soul. The soul is who we are. The body simply houses it so that we can function on earth. Demonic spirits go into people and possess. So God's spirit can definitely inhabit a body and walk the earth as well. After all, he created thus whole system. God can do whatever he wants, how he wants, when and where he wants. I don't understand the confusion.
The Holy Spirit is the part of God that comes to our "realm" to interact with humans. It describes the transformation of another form that God becomes. There's God in his pure complete form, then there is the form called the Holy Spirit that allows the spirit of God to interact with humans by various means, then there's Jesus who God created as a means for his spirit to inhabit so that he could be in human form.
We have inside of our flesh/bodies, a spirit/soul. The soul is who we are. The body simply houses it so that we can function on earth. Demonic spirits go into people and possess. So God's spirit can definitely inhabit a body and walk the earth as well. After all, he created thus whole system. God can do whatever he wants, how he wants, when and where he wants. I don't understand the confusion.
The confusion is that you have not told us anything. You have told us your beliefs based on The Bible perhaps.
How can we recognize The Holy Ghost? What does it look like? How do we tell the Holy Ghost from other ghosts or even ourselves, since many say we are part of God too or God resides in us?
194:2.11 (2061.9) Since the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth, man is subject to the teaching and guidance of a threefold spirit endowment: the spirit of the Father, the Thought Adjuster; the spirit of the Son, the Spirit of Truth; the spirit of the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.
194:2.12 (2062.1) In a way, mankind is subject to the double influence of the sevenfold appeal of the universe spirit influences. The early evolutionary races of mortals are subject to the progressive contact of the seven adjutant mind-spirits of the local universe Mother Spirit. As man progresses upward in the scale of intelligence and spiritual perception, there eventually come to hover over him and dwell within him the seven higher spirit influences. And these seven spirits of the advancing worlds are:
194:2.13 (2062.2) 1. The bestowed spirit of the Universal Father—the Thought Adjusters.
194:2.14 (2062.3) 2. The spirit presence of the Eternal Son—the spirit gravity of the universe of universes and the certain channel of all spirit communion.
194:2.15 (2062.4) 3. The spirit presence of the Infinite Spirit—the universal spirit-mind of all creation, the spiritual source of the intellectual kinship of all progressive intelligences.
194:2.16 (2062.5) 4. The spirit of the Universal Father and the Creator Son—the Spirit of Truth, generally regarded as the spirit of the Universe Son.
194:2.17 (2062.6) 5. The spirit of the Infinite Spirit and the Universe Mother Spirit—the Holy Spirit, generally regarded as the spirit of the Universe Spirit.
194:2.18 (2062.7) 6. The mind-spirit of the Universe Mother Spirit—the seven adjutant mind-spirits of the local universe.
194:2.19 (2062.8) 7. The spirit of the Father, Sons, and Spirits—the new-name spirit of the ascending mortals of the realms after the fusion of the mortal spirit-born soul with the Paradise Thought Adjuster and after the subsequent attainment of the divinity and glorification of the status of the Paradise Corps of the Finality.
The confusion is that you have not told us anything. You have told us your beliefs based on The Bible perhaps.
How can we recognize The Holy Ghost? What does it look like? How do we tell the Holy Ghost from other ghosts or even ourselves, since many say we are part of God too or God resides in us?
I won't quote scripture, because my " belief " preceded my awareness of how profound scripture became to me.
Because I have personally met Jesus. Or was it His Spirit?
I don't know. And frankly it makes no difference to me.
The Holy Spirit is the part of God that comes to our "realm" to interact with humans. It describes the transformation of another form that God becomes. There's God in his pure complete form, then there is the form called the Holy Spirit that allows the spirit of God to interact with humans by various means, then there's Jesus who God created as a means for his spirit to inhabit so that he could be in human form.
We have inside of our flesh/bodies, a spirit/soul. The soul is who we are. The body simply houses it so that we can function on earth. Demonic spirits go into people and possess. So God's spirit can definitely inhabit a body and walk the earth as well. After all, he created thus whole system. God can do whatever he wants, how he wants, when and where he wants. I don't understand the confusion.
Uh huh…
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