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Old 04-03-2024, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Do you think those who had the NDE were already looking for some kind of answer or revelation in their lives?
Since NDEs occur in the midst of unplanned existential crises, I would be loathe to suggest that. What they could be is somewhat analogous to dream states where the brain sort of rambles about in the subconscious and it could be that IF an NDE occurs, especially with any awareness of the peril being experienced, it could be akin to other similar experiences that have been described by people in such situations -- such as "your whole life passing before you". Maybe it is a way of processing what is happening.

Also it's well known that there is often a massive surge of brainwave activity in people who are dying, and even a surge of physical activity where for a brief period when death is nigh, the person seems to be improving and might for instance sit up in a chair for awhile when they have been bedridden for some time. Neither phenomenon is exactly / exclusively holding on to life or fighting death so much as sort of integrating or reconciling the two, in my view. Between deaths in my family and volunteering with hospice, that is the sense I have gotten anyway.

So maybe whatever content this surge in brainwave activity has can be remembered after the fact if you are revived soon enough. That is one possible explanation for NDEs. I have no idea if it's correct -- just a possibility.
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Old 04-03-2024, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Do you think those who had the NDE were already looking for some kind of answer or revelation in their lives?
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Old 04-04-2024, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Souls....... It may sound crazy, but this is what my research has led me to.

I've studied cases of 4268 individuals that were clinically dead and brought back to life.

2326 were male and 1942 were female.

Out of the 4268 individuals, only 1790 had reported to have had an NDE.


Of the 1790 individuals, 1071 were individuals under the age of 18. 513 were individuals between the ages of 19 and 30 and the remaining 206 were individuals over the age of 30.

My findings are a lot more extensive, but this is the jist of it. Just made it simple so I don't want people getting bored reading all of what I have researched.
How have you been doing your research?
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Old 04-04-2024, 10:27 AM
 
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I have looked at a few studies and watched a Ted Talk by an emergency physician who collected data on it.He question anyone he though may of had a NDE not all had them and he collected a lot of data.He found many similarities and that it would match each persons religion but not always. Basically he said in all of them you may or may not have a out of body experience looking down on yourself then you would proceed down a tunnel and when you got to the end a possible life review and then you would be met by family members or in many a Being of light who radiates love. Your told its not your time and sent back. If you cross that line your dead and not coming back. There are actually many studies on this and they are continuing to collect data. Those doing the research such as this Doctor and he is a Neurosurgeon believe it to be true.His own profession denies it but he has changed his mind.
Eben Alexander?
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Old 04-04-2024, 10:33 AM
 
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Well your entitled to your opinion and thats all it is.Better than think all you are is intelligent meat that takes a lot of faith.
The 'intelligent meat' does have evidence, so it is the opposite of faith.

All you have are anecdotes from people that experienced something they usually do not experience, so they only have their cultural background to use to construct an experience.

Also, your position presumes a soul, but how can a soul see without eyes, or hear without ears? If you want to argue they do have eyes and ears, what are they made from? How does a soul maintain a constant existence?
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Old 04-04-2024, 10:36 AM
 
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Do you think those who had the NDE were already looking for some kind of answer or revelation in their lives?
I do not. I think they are constructed after the event by a mind trying to understand something it usually does not experience, and based on the cultural background of the person having the experience.
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Old 04-04-2024, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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How have you been doing your research?
Thank you...I wondered that, too.
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Old 04-04-2024, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I do not. I think they are constructed after the event by a mind trying to understand something it usually does not experience, and based on the cultural background of the person having the experience.
Why couldn't it be something like a revelatory dream. Which I believe can come from God.
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Old 04-04-2024, 04:58 PM
 
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Why couldn't it be something like a revelatory dream. Which I believe can come from God.
Harry posited they are unfamiliar experiences that people make imperfect sense of using whatever cultural referents they are familiar with. Your explanation is way more complex and fraught and full of assumptions. Yes messages from Beyond could explain it, but then you bring in a whole supernatural element that can't be verified or assessed in any way. But the advantage of doing it your way is that it first your beliefs -- so there'e that.

Some people look for the most economical explanation that needs the fewest actors / entities to account for it. Some people contort themselves to make the explanation fit their pre-existing beliefs or assumptions. [shrug]
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Old 04-04-2024, 05:09 PM
 
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Harry posited they are unfamiliar experiences that people make imperfect sense of using whatever cultural referents they are familiar with. Your explanation is way more complex and fraught and full of assumptions. Yes messages from Beyond could explain it, but then you bring in a whole supernatural element that can't be verified or assessed in any way. But the advantage of doing it your way is that it first your beliefs -- so there'e that.

Some people look for the most economical explanation that needs the fewest actors / entities to account for it. Some people contort themselves to make the explanation fit their pre-existing beliefs or assumptions. [shrug]
"They're coming down the backstretch, aaaaannnnd...... Occam's Razor, for the win!!"
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