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Old Today, 09:04 AM
 
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Well, I happen to be in the home rental business. About 1/3 of my tenants are on government assistance. Every single one of the low income with government assistance tenants vote republican. They love Trump and make sure everyone knows they vote Trump.

So, yes people vote against their own interest all the time.
This is what I see as well, there seems to be no pattern to it. I see quite a number of Trump voters on assistance and feel it is owed to them because they are hardworking just in a tuff spot and not “one of those people that abuse it”, seems they are aware of the stigma assistance brings, unfortunately.

As far as iiegals I actually think most would vote like everyone else within 5-10 years of being here if they could vote. Democrats have the borders open (Republicans seems slow to really address it) and Republicans support the companies that hire them at the plants and factories (Democrats seem to ignore these labor issues). So from their prospective both parties are giving them a handout.

Never forget that both parties cannot afford to finance candidates and run all these wonderful ads without that corporate money. The same corporate money that supports the news organizations, podcasters, and non-profits. They all magicallly seem to be unable to link open borders by Democrats and Republican governors allowing companies in their state to hire illegal aliens for jobs. They only seem to see or report one side or the other. Amazing isn’t it.
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Old Today, 09:06 AM
 
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Democrats want open borders because they are compassionate humanists or because they want to fundamentally change the country generationally?
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Old Today, 09:13 AM
 
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This is what I see as well, there seems to be no pattern to it. I see quite a number of Trump voters on assistance and feel it is owed to them because they are hardworking just in a tuff spot and not “one of those people that abuse it”, seems they are aware of the stigma assistance brings, unfortunately.

As far as iiegals I actually think most would vote like everyone else within 5-10 years of being here if they could vote. Democrats have the borders open (Republicans seems slow to really address it) and Republicans support the companies that hire them at the plants and factories (Democrats seem to ignore these labor issues). So from their prospective both parties are giving them a handout.

Never forget that both parties cannot afford to finance candidates and run all these wonderful ads without that corporate money. The same corporate money that supports the news organizations, podcasters, and non-profits. They all magicallly seem to be unable to link open borders by Democrats and Republican governors allowing companies in their state to hire illegal aliens ofr jobs. This only seem to see one side or the other. Amazing isn’t it.
I have a theory on why those who just escaped an oppressive regime tend to vote for the same persona in the new place. It's the same reason why the poorest people in this country who are all on government assistance love Trump. Also why those dictators got into power in the other place to begin with. When people are in a desperate situation, they want a strong leader to solve their problems for them. Strong man. I don't think they care all that much about "handouts". As much as they hated the oppression they were living under before, they looked up to the strong man sitting at the top of those places.

Hence, poor desperate people love Trump.

Edit.

It's also why Muslims who came over here to escape from the Taliban want this place to be a theocracy.
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Old Today, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Yes, most illegals are Hispanic, most Hispanics vote Dem (except for Cubans).

Next question.
The politics of the Democratic Party feel like a comfortable fit from where they came from. Because most of the countries these people are fleeing from are either socialist, authoritarian or overrun with criminals. They may be fleeing from the disastrous results from socialist policies, but they want government to be socialist, and care and feed them. They think the American socialists will be kinder and gentler, so they vote for them.

We see this all the time when our own Democrats flee their home state, because of the 'disastrous results from socialist policies.' Then they vote for the exact same types of politicians proposing the exact same socialist polices in their new home state.

The thinking by these democrats is that the new, new politicians in the state they fled to, will do socialism the good way. Of course, this NEVER happens, so we see the blue locusts fleeing their blue states, going to red states, then voting to destroy their new home.

I don't see these "asylum seekers" doing all that much different. They will fall for the lies of a socialist Utopia, thinking finally they can vote in the people who can do socialism right. It's impossible, because other people's money runs out, and our currency has been devalued, and the national debt far outstrips the money available.

Our national fiscal operating debt is $34 trillion, combined with the debt the American people hold, when you factor in credit card debt, student loans, and mortgage loans, it is around $17 trillion. That's a total of $51 trillion. The US dollar supply is approximately $21 trillion.
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Old Today, 09:19 AM
 
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Democrats want open borders because they are compassionate humanists or because they want to fundamentally change the country generationally?
Compassion should only be extended to those who have a valid asylum claim, not illegals or bogus asylum seekers. We should still put a limit on the number of valid asylum claimants we allow in though as we cannot save the entire world's needy by importing them all into our country as it takes away from our own citizen's needs.

The Democrats pretend to be compassionate with their virtual open borders but they have nefarious intentions instead.
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Old Today, 09:19 AM
 
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Not a rhetorical question. I know that conservatives love to say illegals vote by the millions for dems. But does this reflect reality at all?

I came to the US as a child (legally) with my family as political refugees. So I have a lot of family, friends, and acquaintances that are not natural born citizens. And from my personal experience, immigrants almost always vote republican because of the following reasons:

-They love strong men. Heck, they love Trump. Even though my parents came from a repressive regime, they actually said out loud Trump should have used the military to void the last election.

-They are almost always conservative. They see the republican party as the only way to fight off the gheys. Heck, some of them are from places that execute gheys, and they in a way support this.

-They see the republican party as a better alternative to create jobs. Especially the immigrant business owners.

In other words, my personal experience tells me immigrants (illegal or legal) tend to vote republican. They absolutely love the strong men persona that Republicans portray themselves. Especially Trump.

Are there actual evidence that illegals who can vote would vote dems?
Yes.

Just as there is proof convicted felons are more likely to vote Dems.

People on welfare are more likely to vote Dem.

People below the poverty line are more likely to vote Dem.

Non-whites are more likely to vote Dem.

These are all groups that comprise most illegal immigrants.


Why do you think some Dems are pushing for illegal immigrant/legal immigrant voting as well as open borders while openly talking about demographic change being destiny.
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Old Today, 09:24 AM
 
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It's also why Muslims who came over here to escape from the Taliban want this place to be a theocracy.
These people are conditioned to want to remain in a socialist nation, or a theocracy, or you name the structure of government from whatever **** hole country they came from. They feel comfortable living that way, and they think if they just had the right people, a kinder and more gentler group of despots running the nation, then they'd have their Utopia.

These people are like a person with a gambling addiction. They just keep losing, but are betting that this next time they'll pick a winner, you just wait and see, Utopia is just around the corner.
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Old Today, 09:24 AM
 
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Are there actual evidence that illegals who can vote would vote dems?
Eh,... Don't matter. They shouldn't vote for President at all as an illegal.
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Old Today, 09:27 AM
 
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Not a rhetorical question. I know that conservatives love to say illegals vote by the millions for dems. But does this reflect reality at all?

I came to the US as a child (legally) with my family as political refugees. So I have a lot of family, friends, and acquaintances that are not natural born citizens. And from my personal experience, immigrants almost always vote republican because of the following reasons:

-They love strong men. Heck, they love Trump. Even though my parents came from a repressive regime, they actually said out loud Trump should have used the military to void the last election.

-They are almost always conservative. They see the republican party as the only way to fight off the gheys. Heck, some of them are from places that execute gheys, and they in a way support this.

-They see the republican party as a better alternative to create jobs. Especially the immigrant business owners.

In other words, my personal experience tells me immigrants (illegal or legal) tend to vote republican. They absolutely love the strong men persona that Republicans portray themselves. Especially Trump.

Are there actual evidence that illegals who can vote would vote dems?
your personal anecdotes do not constitute evidence.
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Old Today, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Well, I happen to be in the home rental business. About 1/3 of my tenants are on government assistance. Every single one of the low income with government assistance tenants vote republican. They love Trump and make sure everyone knows they vote Trump.

So, yes people vote against their own interest all the time.
Perhaps they are voting for Trump because they don't want to be on government assistance anymore. You seem to be assuming they like welfare, and want to remain on welfare. You seem to think they should vote for democrats to keep the welfare checks rolling in.
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