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Of course we might want to look at the percentage of kids actually tested. I do believe that could influence some stats. I know when my granddaughters were in the California schools reading was always a topic. Most read like they were in the 4th grade and they were in the 12th.
Yup, the top ten states are all blue... no surprises there.
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Yup, the top ten states are all blue... no surprises there.
I suppose you didn't look at the percentage of students actually tested did you? They pick the best schools in the best areas to test and market that as the whole facts. Yeppers....to be expected.
I wouldn't fear Socialism in it's purist form. It's just that it's an idealist philosophy that doesn't work because of the nature of man and in my opinion any semi-socialism is a waste of time.....
Overly simplistic??? Yes, but that's how I see it.
Socialism does work in certain limited situations. Look at our interstates. Socialism can work in, if properly employed, in situations where a free market is absent. Capitalism CANNOT work without a free market because then it's no longer capitalism.
I suppose you didn't look at the percentage of students actually tested did you? They pick the best schools in the best areas to test and market that as the whole facts. Yeppers....to be expected.
Of course I did, and they vary between different states so I give you a point that this is not the best way at comparing states when it comes to education. Here are a few other stats to check out though:
Socialism does work in certain limited situations. Look at our interstates. Socialism can work in, if properly employed, in situations where a free market is absent. Capitalism CANNOT work without a free market because then it's no longer capitalism.
There are limited forms of capitalism as well. You can't compare limited socialism with pure capitalism.
Technically Socialism cannot work without a controlled market (in the market in which socialism is applied).
As James Madison wrote in The Federalist No. 51, “what is government but the greatest reflection of all on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, no internal or external controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.”
This is so dead-on right. When you've got human beings running the show, what do you expect?
If we let a free market run rampant, I think the end result would be monopolization. Don't get me wrong - I am a capitalist - but Miker2069 is right. We've been kicking this around for a long time.
As for the young 'socialists,' I think Citigirl is right. Indoctrination is the key word. I took my first US gov't course at a large university in a small town in Texas 14 years ago. The professor was an older gentleman, and he actually taught government. There was a little history, but the course was primarily based on the mechanics of how government works and the Constitution. We were assigned discussion groups, led by a TA, to discuss policies going on at the time (NAFTA and social security were the two biggest issues that I recall). Not one student, NOT ONE, bashed a political party, or bashed another student for having another point of view. Nobody brought race into the discussions, nobody jumped on the political correctness bandwagon, nobody went on a media soundbite rampage. All opinions were expected to be backed up with this thing called critical thinking. You had to do your homework before you opened your mouth - if you didn't, you received a bad grade for the day.
Fast-forward 10 years. I took a Texas government course at a local community college. There was one other guy in the class who was my age, and the others were fresh out of high school. The professor was an older gentleman, and he taught politics, not government. His 'platform' was that the government in this state AND country are nothing but a fascist regime disguised as a democracy. He managed to discuss the mechanics of the state government, and proceeded to give his ridiculously biased opinion of it. Half way through the semester he left, due to medical problems, and I thought we were going to have a little relief. Not so. The next prof was an older hispanic lady. She didn't express her opinions as vehemently as her predecessor, but she managed to mix the evils of religion with discussions of politics.
Needless to say, that was a 'D' I was proud to earn.
I suppose you didn't look at the percentage of students actually tested did you? They pick the best schools in the best areas to test and market that as the whole facts. Yeppers....to be expected.
This is untrue. Where is your data to back this up, please?
And you still haven't answered my questions from two posts ago. Still waiting...
Whats happening to kids these days? Is it just me living on the west coast northwest, where liberalism/socialism almost seems to be the norm? Is it just Ignorance? What causes so many young people (35 & under), today to adopt such socialist views as preferable and good, and view free market capitalism with such disdain. On the surface it seems as though there are alot more young leftists than their are capitalists! I hope I am wrong.
What's happening is that America's kids in liberal strongholds are being brainwashed... indoctrinated as Citigrl says. I went to a public school in New Haven that teachers were telling kids that black are murdered because there is too much policing in white neighborhoods and then black people kill each other. This is NO joke, it's serious. This goes to show you how F-up the American PUBLIC school system is. Oh and thetre was a teacher in new Haven that said there are immigration laws because people are racist. :rolleys: No wonder why we have crazy punk college kids like this.
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Yes, because young people are becoming more and more educated.
Uh.... you liberals HARP about how BAD the public education system is. Then you say "young people are becoming more educated". Goodbye paperless, hello clueless!
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I would say that ever increasing competition is driving the young generation up the wall to the point where the pressure to succeed and/or keep afloat with the finances is totally ridiculous. The same type of stress that youngsters are under these days can kill a 50 year old with a massive heart attack or stroke. That's probably why they act out and rebel, and speak out against capitalism. Around here, you will have a very hard time getting a job with a bachelors. Even with a masters. 15 years ago, that was not the case... it was easy back then. Times have changed.
I think you have a point. Job stress, money pressures, and unreal competition for jobs is causing anger in people. Now I know you do NOT want to hear this, but hey, have you stopped and thought to yourself for a moment:
You know there are people in your area with Master's degrees that cannot get a job. And yet powerful corporations continue to push Congress to allow unlimited numbers of foreign workers to come and work permanently in the US (under a program called H-1B visa and PERM), workers who have a BA or a Master's degree. Corporations pays these foreign workers between $12,000 - $18,000 LESS than they would have to pay a US worker with same exp and education.
Are you STILL wondering why people with degrees in the US cannot get a job... and then we have H-1B applications flying in faster than there are visa quotas?? You think Bill Gates became rich on his own? Ha! He maintains his wealth by paying people as little as he can. And that is why we saw his cute little face in front of Congress DEMANING he bring unlimited foreign workers into the US. Then little Jowy over here graduated from college and cannot find a job, because lil' Jowy wants to get paid decent wages and he cannot, because Mr. Punjab takes Jowy's job for $18,000 less a year.
No wonder people are getting pissed off!
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Where do you go to get jobs? That's right... companies, corporations, and businesses... the vehicles of capitalism. But I'd agree that the anger towards capitalism is somewhat misguided. It's easy to resent companies that don't hire you, and instead hire cheap labor out in India.
I agree, capitalism fules the economy, creates jobs, creates opportunity. But we are getting to a point here when corporations are doing EVERYTHING they can to nickle and dime workers and my H-1B/PERM example above is one of the reasons. You think 50% of Democrats and 80% of Republicans are angry at the amnesty bill for no reason? Come on!!
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It's not ignorance it's indoctrination. Our institutions of education are full of socialist and far left wing liberals. I hear the horror stories of some of the diatribes that go on in the schools and colleges that those in my family must endure.
Oh you should see Boulder. These people there are liberal hippie quacks. They hate this country, they blame the US for everything, they think the US is at fault for the defeat of the Soviet Union, they tell kids at school to use Ecstacy, to have sex with anyone and everyone (everything) without condoms, to act crazy. One of their college professors goes out and calls 9/11 victims Nazis and keeps getting paid for over 2 years.
You should talk to these kids in Boulder. They think Stallin is a great man, that Lenin, Mao Tsung, and Ho Chin Minh are "great leaders". They have no idea Mao, Ho Chi Minh, and Stallin put people in concerntration camps worst than Nazi concentration camps. These kids are told by professors that these guys are heroes of the people, while these guys went out and shut down the press, shut down churches, and arrested, tortured, and killed anyone who disagreed. You see in the minds of liberals, killing 1 million people to impose Socialism is ok. To liberals the ends justify the means. Mind you, liberals were OK with Castro massacring people and allowing Che Guevere to shoot pregnant women in the stomach and creating "labor camps", which are concentration camps for anyone who disagrees with them. Then Jimmy Carter goes to Cuba and HUGS Castro.
That is what kids learns in liberal strongholds like Boulder (CO), Ithaca (NY), Madison (WI), Berkley (CA), New haven (CT), Boston, Seattle, etc.
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Good point. What universities tend to be like this? I've heard of one that does this ... UC Berkeley.
University of Colorado - Boulder, USF (Tampa) where terrorist professor like Sami Al-Aryan are allowed to help suspected terrorists get 'student visas', Berkley... see my list above.
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