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Old 04-05-2024, 08:03 PM
 
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Its so easy to call someone from so long ago an idiot, when they didnt have access to the internet, and centuries upon centuries of accumulated knowledge.
LOL. And look at what good it's done for us. It appears to me the more immersed people are with technology and the 'greater good', the dumber they are.

The "centuries upon centuries of accumulated knowledge" are disappearing into puffs of smoke right in front of our eyes, depending on who's controlling the internet knowledge base and what they want the general population to know about, on a day to day basis.

I think some accumulated knowledge might do us some good, rather than relying on the internet gods.
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Old 04-06-2024, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Germany
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He wasn't a genius, he was a politician and a businessman, obsessed with hierarchy and power. He had a high social position and access to lots of resources thanks to Alexander, and he capitalized. He would not be able to discuss so many topics without the help of Macedonian soldiers who brought him specimens and what not. So first of all, it is foolish to think he did it all on his own. He used many people to create himself as the ”genius” you discuss him as.

Of course he used other people, but a lot of ideas were his use what he learnt from people like Plato, or his father. Philip of Macedon did not choose him to teach Alexander because

Everything he writes is only to prove that he's the best of them all. He presents other Greek philosophers in such a way, that their philosophy seems inferior to his, as if all the philosophy before was just a prelude to Aristotle's philosophy, which presents itself as the apogee of the human thought.

In actuality he's not so much different from the other Greek philosophers and he purposefully misrepresents them, so we don't see how much he owes and takes from his predecessors.

--->Remember, Aristotle and a few other Greek thinkers were among the first to not fall back on deities as an explanation of nature.

Actually most Greek philosophers, of whom Aristotle was one of the later ones. Not the one who led the movement


He's been so influential because other Greek philosophers were rejected by Christianity. Many Platonists were murdered by Christians because they were considered to wildly Pagan. There was book burning and people burning. Aristotle was the only one read - and not for his genius, but rather, his bigotry and rigidness which agreed with the Christian spirit back then.

It's ridiculous people think ”genius” is what gets you audience. No. It's your connections and PR. Alexander the Great created an empire bigger than anything before. For Aristotle, it meant access to unprecedented 1. money 2. material resources (any sources and specimens he wished, and many, many slaves to act as dictionaries, encyclopedia, and whatever he needed) 3. reach & popularity
Lol, no. Philip of Macedonia chose Aristotle* to teach Alexander because of Aristotle's abilities. It is true he made many errors, but he was also correct about many things, something one would not expect from someone faking it. His influence started with his own students at the Lyceum, the school he set up, and many of our ideas in the Western world start with Aristotle.

* The first person known to have written about formal logic, probably the originator; the father of modern science; a polymath who studied biology, astronomy, geology and physics; who's works on morality are still valid today; and wrote about varied topics such as economics and politics, usw.
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Old 04-06-2024, 01:51 PM
 
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He wasn't a genius, he was a politician and a businessman, obsessed with hierarchy and power. He had a high social position and access to lots of resources thanks to Alexander, and he capitalized. He would not be able to discuss so many topics without the help of Macedonian soldiers who brought him specimens and what not. So first of all, it is foolish to think he did it all on his own. He used many people to create himself as the ”genius” you discuss him as.

Everything he writes is only to prove that he's the best of them all. He presents other Greek philosophers in such a way, that their philosophy seems inferior to his, as if all the philosophy before was just a prelude to Aristotle's philosophy, which presents itself as the apogee of the human thought.

In actuality he's not so much different from the other Greek philosophers and he purposefully misrepresents them, so we don't see how much he owes and takes from his predecessors.

--->Remember, Aristotle and a few other Greek thinkers were among the first to not fall back on deities as an explanation of nature.

Actually most Greek philosophers, of whom Aristotle was one of the later ones. Not the one who led the movement


He's been so influential because other Greek philosophers were rejected by Christianity. Many Platonists were murdered by Christians because they were considered to wildly Pagan. There was book burning and people burning. Aristotle was the only one read - and not for his genius, but rather, his bigotry and rigidness which agreed with the Christian spirit back then.

It's ridiculous people think ”genius” is what gets you audience. No. It's your connections and PR. Alexander the Great created an empire bigger than anything before. For Aristotle, it meant access to unprecedented 1. money 2. material resources (any sources and specimens he wished, and many, many slaves to act as dictionaries, encyclopedia, and whatever he needed) 3. reach & popularity
What a great post. Welcome to the forum
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Old 04-06-2024, 01:54 PM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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Lol, no. Philip of Macedonia chose Aristotle* to teach Alexander because of Aristotle's abilities. It is true he made many errors, but he was also correct about many things, something one would not expect from someone faking it. His influence started with his own students at the Lyceum, the school he set up, and many of our ideas in the Western world start with Aristotle.

* The first person known to have written about formal logic, probably the originator; the father of modern science; a polymath who studied biology, astronomy, geology and physics; who's works on morality are still valid today; and wrote about varied topics such as economics and politics, usw.
I'd argue Anaximander was the father of modern science, but it's probably an error to think there's a single person worthy of that distinction. Thales is another possible candidate. Galileo is widely accepted to be this by people who place too much emphasis on the 'modern' descriptor
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Old 04-09-2024, 05:49 AM
 
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Aristotle's merit was to systematize the analytical approach of solving problems.
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Old 04-09-2024, 11:38 AM
 
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Lol, no. Philip of Macedonia chose Aristotle* to teach Alexander because of Aristotle's abilities. It is true he made many errors, but he was also correct about many things, something one would not expect from someone faking it. His influence started with his own students at the Lyceum, the school he set up, and many of our ideas in the Western world start with Aristotle.

* The first person known to have written about formal logic, probably the originator; the father of modern science; a polymath who studied biology, astronomy, geology, and physics; whose works on morality are still valid today; and wrote about varied topics such as economics and politics, usw.
Most polymaths are misunderstood because of the depth and breadth of their grasp of multiple disciplines. I agree with KrnabrnyBaran that genius is not itself rewarded absent social power.
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Old 05-05-2024, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Venice Italy
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The modern reality escapes any logical human conclusion as it is distorted and conditioned ...a priori
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Old Today, 06:09 PM
 
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If its any consolation, they're all pretty much idiots. Only Voltaire is worth seriously considering, he was basically your anti-philosopher, philosopher. Which is why he is probably rarely studied in college. He makes so much sense, that another idiot (professor) cannot expound on and on in circles attempting to figure out what your typical incoherent philosopher is trying to get at. W/ Voltaire, you always know exactly what he means.
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