Oregon ends its 72-year ban on pumping your own gasoline (Portland: house, layoffs)

[ccjarider]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

No they are not doing what the people voted them to do. Oregon voters were very clear. 68% of voters voted that they don't want lawmakers boycotting the legislative session. What you are applauding is law makers totally thumbing their noses at the voters, many of them Republican voters.

No! The voters of DISTRICTS elected these people to represent them. They acted in a manner that achieved the desire of those voters - keeping far left democrats from further damaging a state that has already suffered a lot under D rule. The silly, feel good referendum you are referring to will likely be found to be unconstitutional.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

I'm pretty sure your heart doesn't bleed for any thing, including the 10,000 Oregonians who are going to lose their jobs and end up living on the streets.

Oh the "skill" it takes to pump gas. Somehow they will manage to either work inside the station or at a FF place. These people are ok with getting dirty so plenty of jobs for those.

The horrors of living like everyone else must be terrible.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

Which is exactly what is going to happen in Oregon. In 10 years from now gas stations in Oregon will look exactly like they do in 49 other states. 100% self-service with one casher inside the store. And the homeless problem will be bigger than ever, because the proponents of this have zero plans for creating new jobs for these people.

Some people on one end of the political spectrum just spend their lives trying to figure out ways to make society a worse place. Oh look we can kill two birds with one stone. We can put 10,000 people out of work and make those lazy bums pump their own gas at the same time. They are so proud themselves, that many of them are posting right here in this thread to brag about it. They are real life Scrooges.

Learn how to use a CC. Do you eat lunch from a gas station? Why the need to go inside? You can still get your gas and go park and go in to get your AM/PM garbage burger from a heat lamp. I can't believe how many people have to jog in to pay cash because they can't figure out how to use a gas card.

Nothing more fun while getting ice to ice down your fish you just caught, is being behind someone with a change purse who want's 10 dollars on pump 4 but wants to pay for most of it with change because the change purse is getting heavy. It's like 1960 you see in the movies.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by Leona Valley

Oh no. Not New Jersey! God save us.

How will that handful of people survive!!! The pensions, the 401K's being given to gas station attendants, all gone now.

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

New Jersey will be next. They will never stop until they put every single gas station attendant in the country out of a job.

Gas stations are on the way out anyway.

EV charging stations will eventually replace them. And there are going to be a LOT of new jobs that pay better than a gas station attendant for skilled people to install and maintain all that new electrical infrastructure.

Charging stations will be like central AC. First only the rich will have them. Then it will quickly trickle down to the point that most homes and apartment parking lots will have them. And just like there is now a whole lucrative industry of HVAC installers and engineers that didn't even exist a few decades ago, there will be the same for EV infrastructure.

[Silverfall]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

Gas stations are on the way out anyway.

EV charging stations will eventually replace them. And there are going to be a LOT of new jobs that pay better than a gas station attendant for skilled people to install and maintain all that new electrical infrastructure.

Charging stations will be like central AC. First only the rich will have them. Then it will quickly trickle down to the point that most homes and apartment parking lots will have them. And just like there is now a whole lucrative industry of HVAC installers and engineers that didn't even exist a few decades ago, there will be the same for EV infrastructure.

I agree. Jobs are shifting. I don't see why we hang on to jobs that aren't good jobs when new ones are forming all the time that are often better. Inhaling the gas fumes all day long pumping gas cannot be good for the lungs.

[hawk55732]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

Learn how to use a CC. Do you eat lunch from a gas station? Why the need to go inside? You can still get your gas and go park and go in to get your AM/PM garbage burger from a heat lamp. I can't believe how many people have to jog in to pay cash because they can't figure out how to use a gas card.

Nothing more fun while getting ice to ice down your fish you just caught, is being behind someone with a change purse who want's 10 dollars on pump 4 but wants to pay for most of it with change because the change purse is getting heavy. It's like 1960 you see in the movies.

Why are you against people using cash?

[oregonwoodsmoke]

Originally Posted by hawk55732

Why are you against people using cash?

Some people are so important that is is a horrible sin to stop their roll or to make them wait for a few extra seconds. Everyone has an obligation to get out of their way.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

Gas stations are on the way out anyway.

EV charging stations will eventually replace them. And there are going to be a LOT of new jobs that pay better than a gas station attendant for skilled people to install and maintain all that new electrical infrastructure.

Charging stations will be like central AC. First only the rich will have them. Then it will quickly trickle down to the point that most homes and apartment parking lots will have them. And just like there is now a whole lucrative industry of HVAC installers and engineers that didn't even exist a few decades ago, there will be the same for EV infrastructure.

I don't believe that. They will be a lot fewer and farther between, but gas stations will be around for the foreseeable future.

And no way will EV charging stations replace 10,000 lost jobs. Most EV charging stations are not even manned. They just have a tech come around every few days to do any necessary maintenance.

This absolutely positively will increase the homelessness in Oregon by 10,000. There is no way around it. Not all at once but over time. Pretending that 10,000 new jobs will just magically appear out of nowhere to replace the lost jobs is just wishful thinking. The same type of wishful thinking that has got us in the mess we are in now with millions of people living on the streets.

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

This absolutely positively will increase the homelessness in Oregon by 10,000. There is no way around it. Not all at once but over time.

Cloudy, what is your source for your 10k number?

I think there are three important parts you're missing when arriving at your numeric projections and assumptions.

1. "Stations in Oregon’s most populous counties would still be required to employ at least one attendant."

2. "The bill would do little to change existing rules in rural Oregon counties that allow drivers there to pump their own gas. Twenty of the state’s 36 counties are designated as rural for those purposes under the proposal." So, its already happened there.

3. Assumption (mental leap) that someone who can pump gas is completely incapable of performing any other task. Therefore, he/she becomes homeless.

While the first two call into question the validity of any derived numbers from who knows where, the third really invalidates legitimacy of any real number claims close to 10k. That includes wild guesses on worst case scenarios.

I challenge you to ask 5 random gas station jockeys if they believe they are incapable of performing any other forms of work that pay minimum wage. That includes jobs that most teenagers qualify for with zero experience. Coming back to reality if willing to be intellectually honest, you will find that there is no where near that number that will be rendered homeless.

Like most professions(?) that become obsolete over time, we can't force gov't to prop them up just because those jobs once held business value. That includes milkmen, town criers, lamp lighters, Ice Cutters, Switchboard Operators, Signalman, Soda Jerks, Elevator Operators, etc...





Derek