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Block the road and you will get run over should be the policy. Protest all day everyday from the side of the road.
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Originally Posted by rodentraiser
I'm just gonna say two things here.
Firstly, Hamas started this whole thing and knew what the result would be, both for the Israelis and their own people. They're the cause of all of this and I'd be happy if they were wiped off the face of the earth. And remember, there's a huge difference between a Hamas sympathizer and someone opposed to what the Israelis are doing. One isn't necessarily the other.
Secondly, I'm wondering how many people are upset because they're blocked by pro-Palestinian protestors but think it's just fine that people can protest in front of Planned Parenthoods and abortion clinics, and hamper the people trying to get in to the point where the clinics have to have escorts for their patients. Believe it or not, I've seen more than one name here on CD opposing the pro-Palestinian protestors but cheer on the pro-life groups in other threads.
And I'm as surprised as anyone else that the protestors weren't removed by the military. I've seen the cops form a line and clear out a small town of hooligans, so why the military couldn't do that, I don't know.
And I'm as surprised as anyone else that the protestors weren't removed by the military. I've seen the cops form a line and clear out a small town of hooligans, so why the military couldn't do that, I don't know.
If they were outside of the blue line (the line painted on the road at military installation entrances), then they were not on military property, and the military couldn't do anything about it, other than call local law enforcement. The military has no jurisdiction outside of the government property.
And I'm as surprised as anyone else that the protestors weren't removed by the military. I've seen the cops form a line and clear out a small town of hooligans, so why the military couldn't do that, I don't know.
Until someone sets foot on a military base, it's outside military jurisdiction, and an issue for local/state/non-military federal authorities.
If they had gotten onto the base itself, completely different story...
If they were outside of the blue line (the line painted on the road at military installation entrances), then they were not on military property, and the military couldn't do anything about it, other than call local law enforcement. The military has no jurisdiction outside of the government property.
I don’t think some understand the seriousness of the situation here. Many bases have missions where they are flying operational missions directly from their CONUS base to an AOR. Can you imagine if a crew gets alerted, and then some of them can’t get into the base to fly? The Combatant Command could lose a sortie that they were counting on.
I’m not sure that’s a good strategy, for the base to rely on a blue city or blue state to ensure their gates stay open.
This is why I’m stating that these gates must be clear at all times, and it makes no difference to me who clears them.
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I don’t think some understand the seriousness of the situation here. Many bases have missions where they are flying operational missions directly from their CONUS base to an AOR. Can you imagine if a crew gets alerted, and then some of them can’t get into the base to fly? The Combatant Command could lose a sortie that they were counting on.
I’m not sure that’s a good strategy, for the base to rely on a blue city or blue state to ensure their gates stay open.
This is why I’m stating that these gates must be clear at all times, and it makes no difference to me who clears them.
This thread has reached way further than the actual incident did.
In 2003, just before the Iraq invasion, on of the gates to my post was closed due to protestors while everyone still made it to work using an alternate. Wasn't that hard or dramatic.
Where in the article did it say the protesters were hamas supporters?
It's perception. Since Hamas is indistinguishable from the Palestinian public- after all they are the current government- it is difficult to expect Israel to say enough! Netanyahu wants to eliminate Hamas since he knows the terrorists will rise back up again.
The protestors are basically saying to Israel not to fight any more for their citizens who have been attacked, killed, and are still being held. Hamas has rejected all deals.
It is awful that so many Palestinians have to suffer for allowing such a bad government to exist. No argument there.
War is hell and it is always unfair. It's the 21st century and humans are still doing the same things over and over the centuries- fighting over religion and territory. No easy answers.
I would fire that base commander so fast it would break the sound barrier and he wouldn't have time to pee his pants on the way out.
THIS IS A MILITARY BASE. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE "RIGHT" TO DISRUPT OPERATIONS, PERIOD.
I'd send in the Security Force with plenty of paddy wagons, and mace, pepper spray, tear gas, billy clubs, whatever it takes. Round up those goons, haul them off to the most miserable lockup you can find, and let them sit until their crap lawyers can find them on Monday morning.
I would fire that base commander so fast it would break the sound barrier and he wouldn't have time to pee his pants on the way out.
THIS IS A MILITARY BASE. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE "RIGHT" TO DISRUPT OPERATIONS, PERIOD.
I'd send in the Security Force with plenty of paddy wagons, and mace, pepper spray, tear gas, billy clubs, whatever it takes. Round up those goons, haul them off to the most miserable lockup you can find, and let them sit until their crap lawyers can find them on Monday morning.
With this current administration, and with that city and state, the Wing CC would’ve been relieved of command if he tried to break up the protest. I 100% believe that.
But here’s the catch 22. The current Wing CC probably agreed with the protestors. Because the type of CC that would be angry at Palestinian protestors does not exist anymore. Those types of officers have been drummed out of the military long ago.
With this current administration, and with that city and state, the Wing CC would’ve been relieved of command if he tried to break up the protest. I 100% believe that.
The Base Commander would have been relieved of duty had that person acted, but not for any "political reason". They had NO JURISDICTION over that property. The street is owned and controlled by the City of Albuquerque, not the DOD, or USAF or any branch of the federal government. The fence where some protest signs were hung is owned and controlled by The University of New Mexico, an educational institute, not connected with the DOD. The only "property" of the USAF or the DOD Is a monument sign for Kirtland but that's on City property provided rent free to the USAF.
So, again, the Base Commander would have been relived of command had they engaged in some chest beating Rambo idiot move that would have been illegal. FYI, the "Base" property did not start for another 1,288 feet down the road.
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