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Old 05-04-2022, 11:34 AM
 
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Yesterday the President announced that illegal aliens are from now on called “undocumented citizens”.

My questions is what will be the new name for legal aliens? Perhaps “documented citizens”?

Does that mean that a naturalized citizen like myself is also a documented citizen or what is the right terminology now?

I’m just wondering and how many legal aliens ever had an issue with the wording legal alien?

When we came here we thought it was kind of a strange wording but that was all. Now it is made to be way more and in need to a change.
The bolded is an oxymoron. There's no such thing as undocumented citizens. It's impossible to get citizenship without documents. He must have meant, "undocumented residents", or "undocumented workers".
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Old 05-04-2022, 01:09 PM
 
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The bolded is an oxymoron. There's no such thing as undocumented citizens. It's impossible to get citizenship without documents. He must have meant, "undocumented residents", or "undocumented workers".
https://www.justice.gov/eoir/book/file/1415216/download
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Old 05-06-2022, 10:03 AM
 
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Why do things easy when you can go the difficult way?

I think there is a sinister agenda behind this and it is just to make it more mysterious to the average USA real native-born or naturalised citizen.

It used to be so simple, that anybody would understand. There are native-born citizens and there are naturalised citizens. The latter ones used to be called immigrants. Immigrants versus emigrants (those who left the country).

If you came here, NOT the legal way, then you are an "Illegal Alien". No further explanation is required. Illegal and nothing else. You are NOT and never will be a "citizen" if you are illegally here in the USA!

https://www.usimmigration.org/glossary/us-citizen (What and who is a citizen?)


"Those who object to the use of the term “illegal alien” appear to believe that if they can convince the American public that illegal immigration is not really illegal, then amnesty no longer is amnesty, and enforcing immigration law is unnecessary."

Under federal law, any non-U.S. citizen is an alien. Aliens who have entered the United States without permission, or who have violated the terms of their admission, are identified under the law as illegal aliens. That is a fact, not an issue for debate.

The term “alien” means any person, not a citizen or national of the United States.
—United States Code, Title 8, §1101(a)(3)

Despite the clarity in the U.S. code on proper terminology, what is known in legal parlance as the “term of art,” a political movement has arisen whose object is to substitute euphemism for precision. A variety of motivations underlie this effort, but regardless of intent, the goal is the same. Insistence on alternate terms such as “undocumented worker” represents a deliberate avoidance of the central and inescapable fact that millions of people are illegally residing in the United States in direct violation of democratically enacted and popularly supported law. Those who object to the use of the term “illegal alien” appear to believe that if they can convince the American public that illegal immigration is not really illegal, then amnesty no longer is amnesty, and enforcing immigration law is unnecessary.

https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal...er-terminology
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Old 05-06-2022, 06:31 PM
 
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Yesterday the President announced that illegal aliens are from now on called “undocumented citizens”.

My questions is what will be the new name for legal aliens? Perhaps “documented citizens”?

Does that mean that a naturalized citizen like myself is also a documented citizen or what is the right terminology now?

I’m just wondering and how many legal aliens ever had an issue with the wording legal alien?

When we came here we thought it was kind of a strange wording but that was all. Now it is made to be way more and in need to a change.
Actually, the term they have been using is "non-citizen" as opposed to alien. Alien is a term used in the actual law so this non-citizen business amounts to nothing more than newspeak.
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Old 05-07-2022, 05:29 AM
 
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But you all do know the democrats have tried to paint the republicans as hating all immigration, don’t you?
Because the democrats fail to mention the republicans are against ILLEGAL immigration, and that the donkey party does not differentiate between that and “legal” any more.

And the term illegal aliens has been the most commonly used term until the democrats have tried to change the lexicon in recent years.
The Admin is violating federal court orders, every day, by not returning "asylum" applicants to Mexico or keeping them in custody. What is going on is literally lawless.
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Old 12-12-2022, 05:59 PM
 
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We have citizens, resident aliens, and wetbacks. Everything else is nobody's business. As far as undocumented, Jeffrey Dahmer was an undocumented Kevorkian protege, and John Dillinger made nothing more serious than undocumented savings withdrawals.
Just as the burglar who breaks into my house is an undocumented guest!
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Old 12-17-2022, 02:29 PM
 
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The Admin is violating federal court orders, every day, by not returning "asylum" applicants to Mexico or keeping them in custody. What is going on is literally lawless.
Why in the world would they deport all those future voters? Just need to flick that executive order magic pen, tax the honest working folks into oblivion and print an extra ten trillion or so every year and today’s illegals will turn into tomorrow’s monolithic democrat voting block, all 10,000,000+ of them.
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Old 12-27-2022, 05:32 PM
 
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Actually, the term they have been using is "non-citizen" as opposed to alien. Alien is a term used in the actual law so this non-citizen business amounts to nothing more than newspeak.
That is not a very good term as it'd also apply to Resident Aliens aka Green Card holders aka Permanent Residents as they, too, are technically non-citizens.

IMHO, a much more suitable term would be: "Illegal Resident" or "Undocumented Resident" or for some really prejudice people, "Resident Evil" would probably be much more accurate.

Back in the day, I do believe the first Illegal/Uninvited/Unwanted Residents were called "Evil White Men" by the native Americans.

So, it is all relative, I guess?
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Old 12-28-2022, 03:39 AM
 
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Why do things easy when you can go the difficult way?

I think there is a sinister agenda behind this and it is just to make it more mysterious to the average USA real native-born or naturalised citizen.

It used to be so simple, that anybody would understand. There are native-born citizens and there are naturalised citizens. The latter ones used to be called immigrants. Immigrants versus emigrants (those who left the country).

If you came here, NOT the legal way, then you are an "Illegal Alien". No further explanation is required. Illegal and nothing else. You are NOT and never will be a "citizen" if you are illegally here in the USA!

https://www.usimmigration.org/glossary/us-citizen (What and who is a citizen?)


"Those who object to the use of the term “illegal alien” appear to believe that if they can convince the American public that illegal immigration is not really illegal, then amnesty no longer is amnesty, and enforcing immigration law is unnecessary."

Under federal law, any non-U.S. citizen is an alien. Aliens who have entered the United States without permission, or who have violated the terms of their admission, are identified under the law as illegal aliens. That is a fact, not an issue for debate.

The term “alien” means any person, not a citizen or national of the United States.
—United States Code, Title 8, §1101(a)(3)

Despite the clarity in the U.S. code on proper terminology, what is known in legal parlance as the “term of art,” a political movement has arisen whose object is to substitute euphemism for precision. A variety of motivations underlie this effort, but regardless of intent, the goal is the same. Insistence on alternate terms such as “undocumented worker” represents a deliberate avoidance of the central and inescapable fact that millions of people are illegally residing in the United States in direct violation of democratically enacted and popularly supported law. Those who object to the use of the term “illegal alien” appear to believe that if they can convince the American public that illegal immigration is not really illegal, then amnesty no longer is amnesty, and enforcing immigration law is unnecessary.

https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal...er-terminology

This is a common debate in my profession. The consensus is clear. The term alien is correct. The term undocumented is more appropriate than illegal because our laws typically reserved illegal for criminal law. The lack of documents upon entry falls with civil law. This the appropriate term would be undocumented aliens. However, aliens is no more or less correct than other terms like immigrants , migrants, etc.


The term citizen does not work at all.
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Old 12-31-2022, 01:30 AM
 
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Why in the world would they deport all those future voters? Just need to flick that executive order magic pen, tax the honest working folks into oblivion and print an extra ten trillion or so every year and today’s illegals will turn into tomorrow’s monolithic democrat voting block, all 10,000,000+ of them.
That's the goal.
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