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We hear everyone mention that the country needs illegals as a workforce, voters or supporters of Social Security. I honestly think these things are secondary to the big reason. More consumers
We have arguments against/for the other things. How about this?
I am wondering why the grow the workforce crowd doesn’t use this as an argument. Probably because it sounds a bit too greedy, like the grow the liberal voter base crowd does(yet deny).
Well, that's as good an explanation as any as to why neither party will do anything about illegal immigration.
My belief, though, is it's because both parties want to have something to argue about.
So the Republicans have done nothing to deter illegal immigration? What about Trump's wall and the other policies he implemented to deter illegal immigration? What about the Republican House bill passed last year that the Democrats refused to sign? What about the e-verify bills that the Republicans have tried to pass but the Democrats refused to sign? What about the Republicans implementing work place raids and ending catch and release that both Obama and Biden put an end to? What about the Republicans anti-amnesty position?
If the parties just want something to argue about I'm sure they could find plenty of other issues to do so and they do it constantly. Illegal immigration isn't an arguing point it's a national security and economic risk.
Maybe it is about consumerism and creating a bigger tax base but what it is really all about is creating a future voting block for the Dems.
What is really odd about this whole Open Border thing is that the Left that is largely for it is also the loudest group telling us that Climate change is going to kill us all. The biggest thing driving Climate change, so they tell us is our First World wasteful ways and huge carbon footprint. Common sense would tell us we need to reduce the population to reduce Climate change but thanks to Biden in 4 short years we have added at least 12 Million "New Americans" that will soon be contributing plenty of First World pollution to the world.
Oh well I guess in the end Votes mean more than the Climate?
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Maybe it is about consumerism and creating a bigger tax base but what it is really all about is creating a future voting block for the Dems.
What is really odd about this whole Open Border thing is that the Left that is largely for it is also the loudest group telling us that Climate change is going to kill us all. The biggest thing driving Climate change, so they tell us is our First World wasteful ways and huge carbon footprint. Common sense would tell us we need to reduce the population to reduce Climate change but thanks to Biden in 4 short years we have added at least 12 Million "New Americans" that will soon be contributing plenty of First World pollution to the world.
Oh well I guess in the end Votes mean more than the Climate?
U.S. population 2000 - 282.4 Million
U.S. population 2023 - 341.8 Million
Increase in 23 years - 59.4 Million
This is with a fertility rate of 1.66. We need a 2.1 rate to sustain the population. And they say there are only 11 to 13 million illegal aliens in the country.
Its a matter of which do you believe. I think its more a matter of WHO you let in...let in unskilled non-English speakers that may have been let out of foreign prisons, who are poor, & w/o any sponsors here in the USA, & they will not boost GDP.
Its a matter of which do you believe. I think its more a matter of WHO you let in...let in unskilled non-English speakers that may have been let out of foreign prisons, who are poor, & w/o any sponsors here in the USA, & they will not boost GDP.
Since this is the illegal immigration forum "immigrants" have nothing to do with those stats. Sources often blur the lines between illegal aliens and real immigrants who are here legally so their claims and stats are worthless.
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Since this is the illegal immigration forum "immigrants" have nothing to do with those stats. Sources often blur the lines between illegal aliens and real immigrants who are here legally so their claims and stats are worthless.
Legal immigrants tend to have a higher education level than illegals, something the radical leftists totally ignore. They also ignore the difference between legal and illegal, and pretend there is no difference between the two groups.
Its a matter of which do you believe. I think its more a matter of WHO you let in...let in unskilled non-English speakers that may have been let out of foreign prisons, who are poor, & w/o any sponsors here in the USA, & they will not boost GDP.
I got my Japanese wife (married 19 years at the time) a green card in 2019. My US tax returns showed a nice income, and I have a pretty penny in assets. If any application should have been rubber stamped it was my wife’s application. Yet, it took just over a year to be approved.
I suspect only a very small number of entering the US today would qualify to enter legally.
So, if you want to come to America and see what it's all about. You bum rush the border with 5k-10k other people, memorize a script seeking asylum or whatever and you're now in the US. I can dig it. I went to another country without speaking the language when I was 24 seeking fame and fortune. However, I entered the country legally. https://www.city-data.com/forum/66363588-post7.html
Unless you've spent an extended period of time living outside the US, you won't understand how attractive America looks to many around the world. Everyone grows up watching American movies, TV and listening to American music. For many… America is it. The place to go assuming you can get in. Of course, tens of thousands of people were crossing the border each month.
As far as the Phx metro where I live and own rental property. I often hire small companies and not long ago costs were going up for landscapers, those who install/repair irrigation systems, trim trees, install/replace tile or paint.
However, today I can bargain because there is more competition for my business. I also suspect many of the men who do the actual work are new to the US. Why? Because they often speak no English outside of thank you. The guy who did tile work a while back said nothing to me except "No English" but he was good. The owner texted me and told me to give him the check when he finished.
Regarding rents: they are strong in the Phoenix metro, and I suspect illegal immigration has played a part here too. Az has seen a record number of illegals crossing the border and given the Phx area is conducive for those who only speak Spanish it's not surprising many decide to stay. https://www.npr.org/2024/01/05/12231...number-of-migr
But is any of the above a positive for Dick and Jane with two children living in Mesa and trying to make ends meet?
I got my Japanese wife (married 19 years at the time) a green card in 2019. My US tax returns showed a nice income, and I have a pretty penny in assets. If any application should have been rubber stamped it was my wife’s application. Yet, it took just over a year to be approved.
I suspect only a very small number of entering the US today would qualify to enter legally.
So, if you want to come to America and see what it's all about. You bum rush the border with 5k-10k other people, memorize a script seeking asylum or whatever and you're now in the US. I can dig it. I went to another country without speaking the language when I was 24 seeking fame and fortune. However, I entered the country legally. https://www.city-data.com/forum/66363588-post7.html
Unless you've spent an extended period of time living outside the US, you won't understand how attractive America looks to many around the world. Everyone grows up watching American movies, TV and listening to American music. For many… America is it. The place to go assuming you can get in. Of course, tens of thousands of people were crossing the border each month.
As far as the Phx metro where I live and own rental property. I often hire small companies and not long ago costs were going up for landscapers, those who install/repair irrigation systems, trim trees, install/replace tile or paint.
However, today I can bargain because there is more competition for my business. I also suspect many of the men who do the actual work are new to the US. Why? Because they often speak no English outside of thank you. The guy who did tile work a while back said nothing to me except "No English" but he was good. The owner texted me and told me to give him the check when he finished.
Regarding rents: they are strong in the Phoenix metro, and I suspect illegal immigration has played a part here too. Az has seen a record number of illegals crossing the border and given the Phx area is conducive for those who only speak Spanish it's not surprising many decide to stay. https://www.npr.org/2024/01/05/12231...number-of-migr
But is any of the above a positive for Dick and Jane with two children living in Mesa and trying to make ends meet?
I suspect not.
If you're not checking that the workers you are using are here legally then you are a part of the problem. Far too many Americans don't care just as long as they think they are saving a buck while they are helping to put Americans out of work.
It doesn't matter what entices these illegals to come here either. They are coming here in violation of our immigration laws and they know it.
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