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Old 01-27-2020, 07:09 AM
 
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I lived in NYC for years and without NYC that state would be dead..
What you say is not true. Hypothetically, without NYC and without the high taxes and left wing political ideology that come out of NYC, NY State may be a very different place, and attracting population growth and businesses. Versus is what is happening now all over NY, which is people and businesses fleeing the state, and a flat population growth.

There are a lot of states that do not have a "NYC" and do not have NYC's politics, that are thriving right now with more population growth and prosperity then NY. Like Tennessee, North Carolina, Idaho, Utah, Iowa, Indiana, etc... just to name a few. NY like other high tax northeast states such as CT, NJ, RI...are losing population, and have major fiscal issues with underfunded state/city pensions, etc.... So taxes will only go up and more people will flee.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:12 PM
 
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What you say is not true. Hypothetically, without NYC and without the high taxes and left wing political ideology that come out of NYC, NY State may be a very different place, and attracting population growth and businesses. Versus is what is happening now all over NY, which is people and businesses fleeing the state, and a flat population growth.

There are a lot of states that do not have a "NYC" and do not have NYC's politics, that are thriving right now with more population growth and prosperity then NY. Like Tennessee, North Carolina, Idaho, Utah, Iowa, Indiana, etc... just to name a few. NY like other high tax northeast states such as CT, NJ, RI...are losing population, and have major fiscal issues with underfunded state/city pensions, etc.... So taxes will only go up and more people will flee.
There’s nothing to sustain NY without NYC. It’s not just NYC, but people are leaving rural areas in one of the biggest migrations we’ve seen since the 20th century. Look at all the big metropolitan areas, they are booming. You say North Carolina, Tennessee, and other states are growing at a rapid rate because of the urban centers. Look at Raleigh or Charlotte for instance. I don’t know why you continually shun “liberal” politics as this be all boogeyman considering looking at it from an outside perspective, it doesn’t seem like the right stands for anything besides Guns, God, and racism.
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:53 AM
 
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There’s nothing to sustain NY without NYC. It’s not just NYC, but people are leaving rural areas in one of the biggest migrations we’ve seen since the 20th century. Look at all the big metropolitan areas, they are booming. You say North Carolina, Tennessee, and other states are growing at a rapid rate because of the urban centers. Look at Raleigh or Charlotte for instance. I don’t know why you continually shun “liberal” politics as this be all boogeyman considering looking at it from an outside perspective, it doesn’t seem like the right stands for anything besides Guns, God, and racism.
It would never happen, but lets say hypothetically if NY State could break off from NYC and change its whole tax structure, govt;, etc.... it may start to grow. If they went "no state income tax" like TN, FL, TX and cut the property taxes in half, heck I might move to NY State myself! NY State is beautiful, has a ton of universities, lakes, and decent sized cities. But it needs a total re-boot. Let NYC be its own "city-state" like DC, and adopt Tennessee's low tax & pro business in NY State.

Look at the states that are growing in population, they are all RED states. Many are fleeing the high tax socialist states of NY, CT, NJ, IL and moving to red states TX, TN, NC, ID, UT, AZ. NY, CT, VT, NJ, IL, RI, etc.......have FLAT to falling population growth, no one is moving there. People vote with their feet. Unfortunately what happens is people who "flee" these socialist blue states and move to red states, starting turning them blue, and turning them into the mess that they left.
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Old 01-28-2020, 06:30 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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This isn't the Politics forum, nor is it the New York forum. Let's talk about the Huntington area of West Virginia.
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Old 02-01-2020, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Huntington, WV
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Pros There r things to do if ur adventurous Some really good places to eat.
Cons Some bad areas and drugs Also lots of thots Moderator edit: Libelous remarks removed. Don't do that again.

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Old 02-06-2020, 05:59 AM
 
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What you say is not true. Hypothetically, without NYC and without the high taxes and left wing political ideology that come out of NYC, NY State may be a very different place, and attracting population growth and businesses. Versus is what is happening now all over NY, which is people and businesses fleeing the state, and a flat population growth.

There are a lot of states that do not have a "NYC" and do not have NYC's politics, that are thriving right now with more population growth and prosperity then NY. Like Tennessee, North Carolina, Idaho, Utah, Iowa, Indiana, etc... just to name a few. NY like other high tax northeast states such as CT, NJ, RI...are losing population, and have major fiscal issues with underfunded state/city pensions, etc.... So taxes will only go up and more people will flee.
NYC has been growing in population, it is over eight and a half million now.
Many of West Virginia's socioeconomic issues stem mostly from the lack of a major metropolitan area. Even rural areas suffer when there is no major city anywhere within a state generating tax revenue and economic vitality, especially ones such as ours. It is a rural state that is not particularly well suited for agriculture due to it's terrain and whose major natural resource is a rapidly dying industry. It is also the major reason for West Virginia's brain drain. The state loses many of it's best and brightest graduates every year to major cities in other states, there simply us very little opportunity for them here in most cases.
Speculate for a moment how much more resources would have been available to address the issues of, say, southern West Virginia, if the Pittsburgh metro was within the state's boundaries? Or if NYC somehow was an island of West Virginia territory on the east coast? I would venture to say that southern WV would be significantly different in either of those scenarios. Our universities could benefit from more state support, as could the public schools, so forth on down the line in many facets of society.
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DC metro on life in Huntington is non-existent...too far away for that to ever happen. Complete non-factor.
The only areas of WV that I can think of that might be within the orbit of major metro areas to any significant degree are the two panhandles and maybe to a significant degree Morgantown as well...it is about eighty miles from Pittsburgh and has significant ties to that city, and many of WVU's students hail from major East Coast cities. Avoid those areas and for the most part you have nothing to worry about.

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Old 05-16-2021, 01:58 AM
 
Location: West Seattle
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Huntington's gotta be one of the most affordable metros nationally of its size. There are reasons for this of course but you can still get a very solid, active urban core and access to great mountains within daytrip range while paying under $50k for your house. I don't know what the internet is like there (I was on data and cafe Wi-Fi for my whole visit) but it seems like the area could be a good choice for a certain kind of remote worker.
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Old 05-16-2021, 06:45 PM
 
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What you say is not true. Hypothetically, without NYC and without the high taxes and left wing political ideology that come out of NYC, NY State may be a very different place, and attracting population growth and businesses. Versus is what is happening now all over NY, which is people and businesses fleeing the state, and a flat population growth.

There are a lot of states that do not have a "NYC" and do not have NYC's politics, that are thriving right now with more population growth and prosperity then NY. Like Tennessee, North Carolina, Idaho, Utah, Iowa, Indiana, etc... just to name a few. NY like other high tax northeast states such as CT, NJ, RI...are losing population, and have major fiscal issues with underfunded state/city pensions, etc.... So taxes will only go up and more people will flee.
I don't disagree with you except for the part about pensions. NY State has perhaps the healthiest pension system in the country, with billions in reserve. They also provide their retirees with terrific retirement benefits in addition to the basic pension.
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