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Old 03-23-2024, 12:47 PM
 
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Here in CA, out of every kWh used, we don't have 1/3. It has to be imported from Southwest and Northwest.
Once you count the imports in the mix, a little bit over 1/2 are renewables, including nuclear. The other half is non-renewables, dominated by NG at 36% or so:
https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-repor...ric-generation
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Old 03-23-2024, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Argentina
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The range for most battery-electric cars sold in the US is 240 to 300 miles (386 to 482 km); the model with the longest range, the Tesla Model 3 Long Range, can go 341 miles (548 km) between charges. )
Impressive. So it's possible that the electric cars arriving on this side of the world are too basic, or that they're too expensive for the skinny pockets of most Argentines.

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Here in CA, out of every kWh used, we don't have 1/3. It has to be imported from Southwest and Northwest.
Once you count the imports in the mix, a little bit over 1/2 are renewables, including nuclear. The other half is non-renewables, dominated by NG at 36% or so:
https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-repor...ric-generation
Interesting what the link says. Many argue that electric cars are anti-polluting. But batteries require lithium, which you get by polluting a lot of water. In the north of Argentina and Chile there is a lot of lithium extraction. That remind me a Spanish saying: "lo que no se va en lágrimas se va en suspiros" . Which means that somewhere the environment is always damaged.
But of course... If they manage to be pollution-free in the northern hemisphere, that's what counts. Even if there are remote regions that are damaged for that.
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Old 03-23-2024, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Impressive. So it's possible that the electric cars arriving on this side of the world are too basic, or that they're too expensive for the skinny pockets of most Argentines.



Interesting what the link says. Many argue that electric cars are anti-polluting. But batteries require lithium, which you get by polluting a lot of water. In the north of Argentina and Chile there is a lot of lithium extraction. That remind me a Spanish saying: "lo que no se va en lágrimas se va en suspiros" . Which means that somewhere the environment is always damaged.
But of course... If they manage to be pollution-free in the northern hemisphere, that's what counts. Even if there are remote regions that are damaged for that.
I wasn't even thinking about the batteries; I had already pointed out that whether or not an electric car doesn't contribute to air pollution or climate change depends on how the electricity that goes into the battery is produced.

And in California, it looks like there's a 50-50 (or more precisely, a 45%) chance that your car will be fueled by dirty power.

In Pennsylvania, the odds are 64% that your car will be fueled by dirty power. Natural gas produces a little more than half (just shy of 53%) of the state's electricity. Nuclear comes in second, at 31% of the total, and coal is third, with 12%. Oil accounts for 0.1%, and renewables make up the remainder. This state has lots of mountain ridges on which turbines could be built, and the mountains near Altoona have a bunch of them.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1287663/pennsylvania-electricity-generation-share-by-source/

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Old 03-24-2024, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The range for most battery-electric cars sold in the US is 240 to 300 miles (386 to 482 km); the model with the longest range, the Tesla Model 3 Long Range, can go 341 miles (548 km) between charges. And the EV charging infrastructure has grown steadily in this country; any of these cars are suitable for medium- to long-distance trips in the heavily populated Northeast and Midwest or in California. The main drawback, then, becomes charging time. But fast (250 kW) chargers can juice a Model 3 Long Range from zero to full in about an hour, and the fastest ones can do it in half that time.
In the April edition (dedicated to cars), Consumer Reports notes that real world range may be much less than what the manufacturers are reporting. Sounds like the early days when EPA estimates were much higher than real world experience.
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Old 03-24-2024, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Bellevue
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I am using electricity only here in Tennessee. The electricity is produced by hydro, Nuclear, and coal plants. I pay an average of 100 USD per month. (single person household, small house)
TN electricity is generated by TVA that makes it much cheaper. Most of the power comes from hydro dams. To get power to your home you have a local municipal electric service co.

For the home there can be gas. Some use wood.
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Old 04-02-2024, 12:49 PM
 
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New England is still big on Oil heat. I read somewhere because us frugal yankess converted steam coal boilers into oil boilers and the coal delivery companies also turned into oil delivery companies.

I live in rural VT. I heat with a mix of heat pump and wood stove. Our wood stove has a catalyst to you cannot see smoke coming out of the chimney, very clean burn. BUT the wood has to be very dry. It took us a while to stack three years worth of wood but it's nice to know it is about as dry as it can get.
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