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What will be the consequences or will NATO just let it happen like they did with Crimea to prevent WW3?
Nato is not going to stop Russia invading Ukraine.
However Ukraine has an Army of 215,000 Regulars and 250,000 Reservists, and has been supplied with a lot of modern weaponry by the west including anti-aircraft weapons and anti-tank weapons.
So expect Russian casualties and a long drawn out guerilla war.
Even of Russia were to only take certain regions it would still be met with sanctions and the prospect of the rest of Ukraine joining Nato as a result.
There would also be far more Nato forces permanently based on the Russian border with the prospect of a cold war, more cohesion among Nato members and increased western defence spending.
So you have to ask yourself would in Russian interest to risk all of this for merely a region.
On the other hand Crimea had it's main water supply cut off by Ukraine, following the Russian invasion, and it's crops are failing, and so far it has cost Russia over $20 Billion to supply Crimea, and this may be part of why Putin wants another slice of Ukraine, as he can't exactly hand Crimea back to the west and say I made a mistake/
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A Russian land-grab of Kherson province would solve Crimea’s most pressing problem: a lack of water. A Soviet-built 400km long canal network used to connect the Dnipro river with the peninsula, supplying residents and irrigating fields. In 2014 Ukraine built a dam to stop its flow. In 2021 Crimea suffered severe drought.
Defending the canal is now a strategic priority for Ukraine. A single Ukrainian soldier was visible last week where the canal begins, outside the city of Khakova. He had a Kalashnikov and an alsatian dog. Snow had blanketed the frozen waterway and its picturesque willows.
^ I never said the politicians in eastern europe are ideal and far from corrupt, and like I mentioned before your sources aren't the eternal truth either. On another note if I am not mistaken the current president of Ukraine is a tv show comedian...literally.
We had one of those recently here in the US,then replaced him with a senile dotard.
It doesn't matter that Ukraine was historically part of Russia. It's been an independent country since the end of WWII, whose status was created as such by Russia itself, in negotiations with the West.
The American Southwest historically was part of Mexico. You don't see Mexico trying to take it back.
Kosovo was part of Yugoslavia or Serbia. You don't see Serbia trying to take it back. Or who knows, maybe someday we will see that.
Norway used to be part of Denmark.
Mongolia for awhile was part of China, and China, along with most of the rest of Asia and part of Europe, historically was part of an expanded Mongolia.
"Northern Manchuria" (Russia's Primorskii Krai and Khabarovskii Krai) used to be part of China. Should China try to take it back? Why not, if Russia can take Ukraine back?
Where does the "oops, we changed our mind. We want our former territory back" end?
Why does that even matter to you? I will tell you why, you will take whatever position the US government takes.
Your little rant on the ruble and Russian banks seems quite silly. You think that only the dollar and maybe euro matter as currencies? You think that only American and maybe western European banks matter? Nonsense.
It doesn't matter that Ukraine was historically part of Russia. It's been an independent country since the end of WWII, whose status was created as such by Russia itself, in negotiations with the West.
The American Southwest historically was part of Mexico. You don't see Mexico trying to take it back.
Kosovo was part of Yugoslavia or Serbia. You don't see Serbia trying to take it back. Or who knows, maybe someday we will see that.
Norway used to be part of Denmark.
Mongolia for awhile was part of China, and China, along with most of the rest of Asia and part of Europe, historically was part of an expanded Mongolia.
"Northern Manchuria" (Russia's Primorskii Krai and Khabarovskii Krai) used to be part of China. Should China try to take it back? Why not, if Russia can take Ukraine back?
Where does the "oops, we changed our mind. We want our former territory back" end?
Parts of the southwest were part of mexico for a whopping 27 years. It's barely a blip on the radar as far as history. Between that and Spain and the indigenous that dirt was trading hands pretty often.
Such as?
( Let's separate here truth from fiction.)
Im guessing WW2. But this war isnt about what Russia is willing to do, it is about what benefits Russian leadership the most. The decision makers when it comes to war dont really have anything in mind other than what is in their own best interests.
Looks like I have some catching up to do on news. Please fill me in. Since when are Russian banks taken seriously by international banks? Since when has the ruble been regarded as having any value at all outside of Russia, other than possibly, maybe by some of its immediate neighbors? Ruble will "free fall"? From where, and how did it get where it is, wherever that is? This idea that the ruble is a monetary unit to be taken seriously is new to me. Forgive me for being behind the times. If I've missed out on important info, I'd like to know. Truly.
No one says Russian banks are taken seriously, but Russia needs to get foreign currency somewhere and it mostly does through doing business with Europe, and the transactions go through SWIFT and the major Russian banks. By blacklisting these banks and suspending its SWIFT privileges, Russia's cut off from global trade. Ruble would then go down hard and Russians would become poorer than they already are. Turkey's implosion in the past couple of years can be referenced. Lira is a joke now and inflation is comically high in Turkey. It used to be a trillion dollar economy, now it's smaller than Switzerland, a country with 1/9 of Turkey's population.
This should've been done months ago but Germany and Austria can't live without cheap gas so they keep pandering to Russia. However they would not be able to justify it if Russia actually invades Ukraine again.
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Putin would catch serious flack from the Russian public for having dragged Russia into a war. His main propaganda tool, a film showing a fake atrocity perpetrated on Russian residents of Ukraine by Ukrainian military, was outed in advance by the US, so he doesn't really have a justifiable reason (other than historical claims) for invading a foreign country.
He would survive the flack in his usual style, but people wouldn't forget. And sure, there would always be those who support him.
It doesn't look like Russians care about it at all. Like the Chinese, Russians also overwhelmingly support their government's grotesque actions against countries like Ukraine and Georgia.
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