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Old 08-02-2018, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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They are all over the place because they are pulled out of thin air.
Oh, so that must be true of most of the "facts" that are posted here by some members.
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Old 08-02-2018, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Oh, so that must be true of most of the "facts" that are posted here by some members.
True. The idea that medical mistakes cause 250,000 deaths per year in the US is not supported by any facts. It is based on bad methodology and poor statistical analysis.
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Old 08-02-2018, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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True. The idea that medical mistakes cause 250,000 deaths per year in the US is not supported by any facts. It is based on bad methodology and poor statistical analysis.
I'll be sure to remember your comments when so many other facts are being quoted...all pulled from thin air.
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Old 08-02-2018, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I'll be sure to remember your comments when so many other facts are being quoted...all pulled from thin air.
Please give us some examples of the facts you dispute and why.
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Old 08-03-2018, 05:30 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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:d

Weird. The big grin smiley will not work.

Oh, well. Here's me, grinning!

Me too.

And here's one for you, Suzy.
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Old 08-03-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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You have some misunderstanding of the law. Product liability law developed the way that it did because of the unique nature of pharmaceuticals or prescription drugs. Drugs are consumed and virtually everyone's body reacts a little bit different to them. You may be allergic to penicillin. I may be fine with penicillin, but allergic to a completely different drug, a pain killer like Percocet. There is simply no way for drug manufacturers to know how every individual will respond to a drug. Yet, serious complications and allergies are rare and the benefits from drugs may be overwhelming. Its a question of trying to balance risks v. benefits. Ultimately, the courts determined that the best rule of law was that if a drug could win FDA approval to be on the market, than drug manufacturers would only be held responsible for injuries to a patient if they failed to WARN them of potential consequences. The patient gets to make the choice whether taking the medicine is worth it or not. Would you prefer a system where that choice was not allowed? Would you prefer a system where liability was absolute and so no company would take the risk of manufacturing medicines at all? I know how most people would answer those questions.
I do understand the law, I don't agree with it. I don't believe there should be an exception. If the complications are so rare, why should that one patient have to pay the entire cost of their treatments/surgeries/hospitalizations for the damage that the drug companies KNOW will happen to a certain percentage of people? Why can't they have funds set up for that?

Why is it that attorneys advertise all day asking for patients who have been harmed by different medications or procedures? Seems like it's the attorneys and pharmaceutical companies have a sweet deal.
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Old 08-03-2018, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Because people have the (well informed) ability to make a choice, knowing all the pros and cons.

If you have a heart attack on a roller coaster, it is not the fault of the theme park.
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Old 08-03-2018, 07:19 PM
 
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A certain number of people will react adversely to a product that is not defective. Should someone who has an allergic reaction to penicillin be allowed to sue the manufacturer? Sue the peanut farmer because you had an allergic reaction to peanuts?

If it is a known risk then by taking the drug you accept the risk. If you decide the potential benefit does not outweigh the risk, then do not take the drug.
So you are 100% OK with people refusing vaccines? Completely respectful of the choice NOT to get shot up with a product that could cause harm?

Yeah. That's what I thought.
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Old 08-03-2018, 07:20 PM
 
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Because people have the (well informed) ability to make a choice, knowing all the pros and cons.

If you have a heart attack on a roller coaster, it is not the fault of the theme park.
And if you decide you don't want vaccines, after weighing the pros and cons, that should be allowed, right?
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Old 08-03-2018, 07:21 PM
 
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I'll be sure to remember your comments when so many other facts are being quoted...all pulled from thin air.
Yep. She cherrypicks all the live long day.
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