Jesus basically says you cannot know Him!

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Jesus reveled who He is on the Cross and that also revealed who the Father IS. That is why we are told to remember Him on the Cross. There can be no doubt about His agape love and forgiveness toward us under those horrendously savage and brutal circumstances!!! What can you imagine would be worse than that to arouse God's nonexistent wrath or vengeance??? "Father forgive them they know not what they do"!

Originally Posted by Onefortruth

That just proves you do not know Him. His ministry lasted three years and you sum it up into one moment.

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

The "moment" HE told us to REMEMBER Him by that most have made into a "sacrament."

Originally Posted by RockyRoadg

Exactly!

179:5.4 (1942.3) In instituting this remembrance supper, the Master, as was always his habit, resorted to parables and symbols. He employed symbols because he wanted to teach certain great spiritual truths in such a manner as to make it difficult for his successors to attach precise interpretations and definite meanings to his words. In this way he sought to prevent successive generations from crystallizing his teaching and binding down his spiritual meanings by the dead chains of tradition and dogma. In the establishment of the only ceremony or sacrament associated with his whole life mission, Jesus took great pains to suggest his meanings rather than to commit himself to precise definitions. He did not wish to destroy the individual’s concept of divine communion by establishing a precise form; neither did he desire to limit the believer’s spiritual imagination by formally cramping it. He rather sought to set man’s reborn soul free upon the joyous wings of a new and living spiritual liberty.

179:5.5 (1942.4) Notwithstanding the Master’s effort thus to establish this new sacrament of the remembrance, those who followed after him in the intervening centuries saw to it that his express desire was effectively thwarted in that his simple spiritual symbolism of that last night in the flesh has been reduced to precise interpretations and subjected to the almost mathematical precision of a set formula. Of all Jesus’ teachings none have become more tradition-standardized.
https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book...79-last-supper

[MysticPhD]

Nonsense. The whole reason Jesus was born as a human was so we could know Him and God's Holy Spirit which He embodied. Our ancestors did not know God and were badly misguided by their beliefs in a wrathful and vengeful War God which probably accounts for all the wrath of God and war symbolism in their beliefs. Why on earth we have reatined those beliefs for over two millennia and counting is a mystery!

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by Paul888

No he came to restore humanity back to the father and heaven you can't just omit the fall and then say its all about knowing Jesus.All of humanity was condemned to hell for any sin in the fall Jesus came to restore humanity - what bible do you read and why did Jesus have to make the sacrifice for in your mind - just for the fun of it?You are missing so much in the theology.

He dies for every last one of your sins so you can enter heaven or do you not believe that ?You can't just make things up to suit your ideas and then call it Christianity it is what it is you either believe it or you don't.You can't change it.

There was no "Fall." There was "no condemnation to Hell." Eden was our FIRST spiritual lesson about distinguishing between Good and Evil behavior. Our FIRST lesson did not deserve any punishment and did not anger God. It put us on the path to discovering our destiny's route - the Way to eternal life as Spirit. The Bible chronicles our many early lessons, mistakes, and failures, as well as our misguided primitive misunderstandings and misinterpretations of God. Why on earth those primitive and barbaric misunderstandings and misinterpretations of God were EVER retained and perpetuated for over two millennia and counting is beyond my ken!

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Pleroo

Yes, we'll always be carrying that "natural man" around with us on this earth, which is trying to convince us that we aren't hearing what we think we are, that it's too good to be true, or that it can't be true for us, at least. But when it says deep is calling to deep, I think that means that God is calling to the Spirit of God which is knit together with our own spirit.

That is, I believe, what Paul meant when he said, "His purpose in all this was that people of every culture and religion would search for this ultimate God, grope for Him in the darkness, as it were, hoping to find Him. Yet, in truth, God is not far from any of us."

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by mountainrose

This ^^^ beautifully-stated !!

Thank you!

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

There was no "Fall." There was "no condemnation to Hell." Eden was our FIRST spiritual lesson about distinguishing between Good and Evil behavior. Our FIRST lesson did not deserve any punishment and did not anger God. It put us on the path to discovering our destiny's route - the Way to eternal life as Spirit. The Bible chronicles our many early lessons, mistakes, and failures, as well as our misguided primitive misunderstandings and misinterpretations of God. Why on earth those primitive and barbaric misunderstandings and misinterpretations of God were EVER retained and perpetuated for over two millennia and counting is beyond my ken!

The only reason I can think of, is, we strayed so far from our true state of being, spiritual things became foolish to the natural man and the foolish things of the natural minded man became easily believable, especially coupled with fear.