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Old 10-19-2023, 02:50 AM
 
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A man called Sam Han Lee wrote this in about 1999 and he died in 2008, It was his mission for anybody to read his teachings so there is no copyright. Anyway he had a lump on his forehead which he claimed was the ‘Third Eye’ which he claims appeared after Enlightenment ? He also wrote more about What is Life ? What is Destiny ? and mountains of other stuff. I put this under Buddhism because a lot of what he said was a said by Shakaymuni Buddha. It's possible Sam Han Lee was what others call Maitreya.


What Is Karma ?
Cause and Effect of Karma

There is a word "Karma", passed on from the past, but nowadays it is rare to find someone who knows correctly what Karma is. What do we call Karma and what is Karma ? Karma is something that exists in the source which moves oneself, let’s have a look carefully how the Karma which is in the source, is made. The Karma is made by things that happened to you. Then how can things that happened to you make this Karma ? It is important to understand that. This means that something you did is saved in your consciousness. Now we have to look at nature in more detail. Every phenomenon which appears in nature,everything that happened in them is saved in their seed. Human being is a subject with a consciousness. Human beings save everything what they did in their consciousness.

This consciousness works as a spirit and when the spirit comes to meet death it remains independent by separating from the body. When this consciousness which was in the spirit disappears it will be reborn as life soon. But just because the consciousness disappeared it does not mean things that happened in the past will disappear. Even if the consciousness disappeared, everything which happened to you will be latent in that. So these complex things which are latent in you will continuously cause reaction. The habit of Karma is trying to repeatedly keep things that happened to you forever, and that is Karma. There are two meanings which allow everything to exist in the world. The world exists by these two meanings.

1) Reincarnation
Reincarnation means that everything is repeated. Something which exists continuously causes the phenomenon of repetition, past present and future are spinning endlessly. So our life exists by this law and every creature is repeatedly being born and dying by the law of cause and effect. If something was born in the world but does not disappear by itself but tries to keep itself to exist. Something that happened to you has the same meaning. So if something is saved in your consciousness it does not disappear but it continuously acts by receiving the influence of it. According to what happened to you, present and future life will be different. So things in yourself which will stay forever will be different, that's why to make a relationship is something that people must be very careful of. When a person makes a relationship with a bad thing that will produce a bad thing but when a person makes a relationship with a good thing that will produce a good thing.

2) The Law of Cause and Effect
This is also the Law of Cause and Effect. Karma will exist in you by the cause and effect. As long as this Karma exists a human cannot be able to be free from the control of this Karma. If someone has a big Karma and if the person tries to live a good life and to do good things rather than not becoming a good self will ruin others as well and by doing things to become a good self will always make oneself distressed.

Because there should be a good source in yourself but if there is not that good source it is rare to occur good things in you. At this point only Enlightenment can influence you. Without Enlightenment you cannot disobey the direction of Karma which is in you. We can see phenomenon like this from our surroundings easily and it is very important for the life of human beings. Therefore nobody can get out of these phenomena without Enlightenment. The law of nature is strict. In mathematics two plus two cannot be one or five, things which exist are not changeable in truth as well as mathematics it never changes. That is why people say that the most important thing for living all our period of life is Enlightenment.

If someone does a good thing and makes a good result of 60% but makes a mistake of 40% with ignorance while the person was not aware, in this situation the person can control emotions and wrong temper and can fix something which is wrong if the person tries. But if someone makes Karma which is the result of ignorance by making a mistake of 60 % but good Karma of 40% in this situation it is very hard to do a good thing because the power of big Karma interferes rather than good self when the person is doing something. The reason why there are many problems that appear in our society is because the society doesn't accept about how Karma is made by things that happened to someone in the past.

How does Karma appear ?
Karma appears by things in you. How is Karma made ? Karma is made by words and actions,
Karma can be made by actions and words. What kind of Karma is made by words ? When someone says things that the person doesn't know then that will be the Karma. Telling lies is something that ruins oneself and others too. This is Karma which is made by words. That is why disciples who were taught rightly by Buddha wrote at the beginning of the script "I heard like this"

Written by Tathagata
Sam Han Lee
Deceased August 2008
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Old 10-19-2023, 11:16 AM
 
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...Anyway he had a lump on his forehead which he claimed was the ‘Third Eye’ which he claims appeared after Enlightenment ? ...

It's possible Sam Han Lee was what others call Maitreya.

...

There is a word "Karma", passed on from the past, but nowadays it is rare to find someone who knows correctly what Karma is.

...

What do we call Karma and what is Karma ? Karma is something that exists in the source which moves oneself, let’s have a look carefully how the Karma which is in the source, is made. The Karma is made by things that happened to you. Then how can things that happened to you make this Karma ? It is important to understand that. This means that something you did is saved in your consciousness.

...

This consciousness works as a spirit and when the spirit comes to meet death it remains independent by separating from the body. When this consciousness which was in the spirit disappears it will be reborn as life soon. But just because the consciousness disappeared it does not mean things that happened in the past will disappear. Even if the consciousness disappeared, everything which happened to you will be latent in that. So these complex things which are latent in you will continuously cause reaction. The habit of Karma is trying to repeatedly keep things that happened to you forever, and that is Karma. There are two meanings which allow everything to exist in the world. The world exists by these two meanings.

...

1) Reincarnation
Reincarnation means that everything is repeated. Something which exists continuously causes the phenomenon of repetition, past present and future are spinning endlessly. So our life exists by this law and every creature is repeatedly being born and dying by the law of cause and effect. If something was born in the world but does not disappear by itself but tries to keep itself to exist. Something that happened to you has the same meaning. So if something is saved in your consciousness it does not disappear but it continuously acts by receiving the influence of it. According to what happened to you, present and future life will be different. So things in yourself which will stay forever will be different, that's why to make a relationship is something that people must be very careful of. When a person makes a relationship with a bad thing that will produce a bad thing but when a person makes a relationship with a good thing that will produce a good thing.

2) The Law of Cause and Effect
This is also the Law of Cause and Effect. Karma will exist in you by the cause and effect. As long as this Karma exists a human cannot be able to be free from the control of this Karma. If someone has a big Karma and if the person tries to live a good life and to do good things rather than not becoming a good self will ruin others as well and by doing things to become a good self will always make oneself distressed.

Because there should be a good source in yourself but if there is not that good source it is rare to occur good things in you. At this point only Enlightenment can influence you. Without Enlightenment you cannot disobey the direction of Karma which is in you. We can see phenomenon like this from our surroundings easily and it is very important for the life of human beings. Therefore nobody can get out of these phenomena without Enlightenment. The law of nature is strict. In mathematics two plus two cannot be one or five, things which exist are not changeable in truth as well as mathematics it never changes. That is why people say that the most important thing for living all our period of life is Enlightenment.

If someone does a good thing and makes a good result of 60% but makes a mistake of 40% with ignorance while the person was not aware, in this situation the person can control emotions and wrong temper and can fix something which is wrong if the person tries. But if someone makes Karma which is the result of ignorance by making a mistake of 60 % but good Karma of 40% in this situation it is very hard to do a good thing because the power of big Karma interferes rather than good self when the person is doing something. The reason why there are many problems that appear in our society is because the society doesn't accept about how Karma is made by things that happened to someone in the past.

How does Karma appear ?
Karma appears by things in you. How is Karma made ? Karma is made by words and actions,
Karma can be made by actions and words. What kind of Karma is made by words ? When someone says things that the person doesn't know then that will be the Karma. Telling lies is something that ruins oneself and others too. This is Karma which is made by words. That is why disciples who were taught rightly by Buddha wrote at the beginning of the script "I heard like this"

Written by Tathagata
Sam Han Lee
Deceased August 2008
Okay...that's one view of karma. It is, essentially, the 'cosmic justice' view of karma. For which we have no real evidence.

I see karma more as simple cause and effect, which the writer does talk about in his piece...I bolded it.
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Old 10-19-2023, 11:56 AM
 
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This is true.While i don't want to trash the site in a Buddhism thread, there seems a lot of assumptions based on dogma rather than knowledge. Who says a bad thing is bad. Ourselves? that is not a cosmic law of justice, just our own opinions. And who says the effect of engaging with anything good or bad has any effect other than in our own minds?

And who says that effect will be bad?I have had some rough encounters and as often as not I have learned a beneficial lesson. Cause and effect I totally get, but this is just the way the natural world works. There is nothing supernatural, metaphysical or divine about it that anyone has demonstrated.

I can't help feeling that these savants write their pieces with their heads full of Dogma, but they do not know what these metaphysical magical terms actually mean and what they are. Thus they are like Philosophers trying to do research into things the nature of which they do not know.
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Old 10-19-2023, 01:01 PM
 
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This is true.While i don't want to trash the site in a Buddhism thread, there seems a lot of assumptions based on dogma rather than knowledge. Who says a bad thing is bad. Ourselves? that is not a cosmic law of justice, just our own opinions. And who says the effect of engaging with anything good or bad has any effect other than in our own minds?

And who says that effect will be bad?I have had some rough encounters and as often as not I have learned a beneficial lesson. Cause and effect I totally get, but this is just the way the natural world works. There is nothing supernatural, metaphysical or divine about it that anyone has demonstrated.

I can't help feeling that these savants write their pieces with their heads full of Dogma, but they do not know what these metaphysical magical terms actually mean and what they are. Thus they are like Philosophers trying to do research into things the nature of which they do not know.
One of the things that made me think a lot about karma was an early realization in my visits to Thailand as to how Thais looked at karma. For example, one day a well-educated Thai friend and I were walking along the street. There was a filthy, starved looking man with no legs skimming along the sidewalk on a wooden platform with wheels , begging. One of the most pathetic sights I have ever seen. I said something about it, and my friend said, "It's his karma". "What do you mean?" "Well in some past life he did something really bad". "In some past life?" "Yes. Maybe his last past life or maybe twenty past lives ago. So he needs to develop better karma in this life". "Well, first of all, in the condition he's in, how could be possibly lead a good life? Second, if he did something bad twenty life times ago, he has no idea what he has to make up for, yet he has to make up for it. Is that what you're saying". I think it may have been the first time my Thai Buddhist friend had ever actually thought about karma. And, at least to me, there is no justice involved when you look at karma that way.
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Old 10-19-2023, 02:24 PM
 
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Karma is cause and effect (basically, just effect). It's right now, or at least in someone's lifetime. The lineages that believe in reincarnation undoubtedly see this differently, but those are simply beliefs. The cause and effect thing you can see w/ your own eyes, no beliefs are necessary.

It's like the 60's mantra, everything you do will come back to you......unless you have a good lawyer :>)
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Old 10-19-2023, 03:03 PM
 
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Karma is cause and effect (basically, just effect). It's right now, or at least in someone's lifetime. The lineages that believe in reincarnation undoubtedly see this differently, but those are simply beliefs. The cause and effect thing you can see w/ your own eyes, no beliefs are necessary.

It's like the 60's mantra, everything you do will come back to you......unless you have a good lawyer :>)
I basically agree.
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Old 10-25-2023, 11:09 AM
 
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Karma is cause and effect (basically, just effect). It's right now, or at least in someone's lifetime. The lineages that believe in reincarnation undoubtedly see this differently, but those are simply beliefs. The cause and effect thing you can see w/ your own eyes, no beliefs are necessary.

It's like the 60's mantra, everything you do will come back to you......unless you have a good lawyer :>)
Ah yes. But that is why we needed divine Justice and retribution and, since that wasn't a reliable natural law either, it had to be relegated to an afterlife, either a heaven or hell or the reward or punishment of an afterlife, which is what Buddhists seem mostly concerned with, not Oblivion, which is an atheist doctrine.
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Old 11-11-2023, 08:03 AM
 
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I would answer your question in a very simple way: if we put our hand in fire, we'll get burnt. The same is true on the spiritual level. Buddhism calls this karma. Christianity and Islam calls this sin.
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