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Old 01-31-2024, 09:01 PM
 
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I attribute all such misunderstandings of me and my attitudes to my seemingly haughty and insensitive professorial communication skills. They are a hard habit to break.
You wouldn't be the first nor last intellectual to have a disproportionate development of field of study knowledge to social graces and manners. To be so lost in your focus such as to assume your self an island of expertise is a derivative behavior, which is why I asked. In my observations blustering and peacocking seldom achieve as much as either cooperative conversation or overwhelming force.
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Old 02-01-2024, 12:13 PM
 
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I attribute all such misunderstandings of me and my attitudes to my seemingly haughty and insensitive professorial communication skills.
So it's not your exceptional humbleness?
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Old 02-01-2024, 02:43 PM
 
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So it's not your exceptional humbleness?
I readily admit I have never been called "humble."
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Old 02-02-2024, 04:28 PM
 
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I was raised by an Atheist, who switched to calling himself an Agnostic. He explained it to me that Atheists have a strong conviction that there is no god, but Agnostics believe it is possible.

When people ask me what I mean when I say "agnostic", I say that I do not believe in god, but believe that "anything's possible".

But then if there is a god, which god is it? The world is filled with gods from many different cultures, of different parts of the world and different time periods. Some cultures have one god, and some have many. If there is a god (or gods), maybe that god is not even worshipped anymore? How can we know?

That being said, the idea of a supernatural deity (or deities) creating the world and overseeing everything we do is not logical, so there probably isn't any. But anything's possible.
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Old 02-04-2024, 02:34 AM
 
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I was raised by an Atheist, who switched to calling himself an Agnostic. He explained it to me that Atheists have a strong conviction that there is no god, but Agnostics believe it is possible.

When people ask me what I mean when I say "agnostic", I say that I do not believe in god, but believe that "anything's possible".

But then if there is a god, which god is it? The world is filled with gods from many different cultures, of different parts of the world and different time periods. Some cultures have one god, and some have many. If there is a god (or gods), maybe that god is not even worshipped anymore? How can we know?

That being said, the idea of a supernatural deity (or deities) creating the world and overseeing everything we do is not logical, so there probably isn't any. But anything's possible.

Yes. That's all worth saying. There is in fact a practical difference between the logical position re. agnosticism and atheism (agnosticism - 'we don't know for sure whether there is a god or not' - atheism 'so we will not believe the claim until we do know''
. Which is the rock -solid logical position.

And what people actually say, think and do. Your reading of 'atheism' (pretty certain there ain't no God' and 'agnosticism'which may be read as more acceptable to the idea, is something we get. There is also irreligious theism which sometimes gets called 'agnosticism', and they and atheists should get along fine.In fact irreligious theists are some of the worst god -apologists I come across. Perhaps because (Bible gone) it is their last ditch.

Bottom line, provided the logical proposition of agnostic -based atheism is understood (and not misrepresented as a claim to 100% knowledge (which is a logically untenable position) rthis or that atheist can think and say what they like, right or wrong, and may expect to be called on it.
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Old 02-08-2024, 09:43 AM
 
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I was raised by an Atheist, who switched to calling himself an Agnostic. He explained it to me that Atheists have a strong conviction that there is no god, but Agnostics believe it is possible.

When people ask me what I mean when I say "agnostic", I say that I do not believe in god, but believe that "anything's possible".

But then if there is a god, which god is it? The world is filled with gods from many different cultures, of different parts of the world and different time periods. Some cultures have one god, and some have many. If there is a god (or gods), maybe that god is not even worshipped anymore? How can we know?

That being said, the idea of a supernatural deity (or deities) creating the world and overseeing everything we do is not logical, so there probably isn't any. But anything's possible.
Lots of people who don't know what they are talking about have their own ideas about what the 2 words mean without doing the research about the origins. And no matter how many times it gets spelled out they insist on using incorrect definitions.
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Old 02-09-2024, 12:01 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Lots of people who don't know what they are talking about have their own ideas about what the 2 words mean without doing the research about the origins. And no matter how many times it gets spelled out they insist on using incorrect definitions.

This idea - 'agnostic - open minded position on a god,atheist closed -minded denial of god' wa universal. Websters actually used that definition (changed it now) and I thought so, too until I joined an atheist forum and had that slapped out of me

I can't recall where I got this idea and I suppose others can't remember either, but I'll bet it is a logical misrepresentation put about by the religious.
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Old 02-09-2024, 08:37 AM
 
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It's possible to have such an open mind that your brain falls out.
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Old 02-09-2024, 11:01 AM
 
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This idea - 'agnostic - open minded position on a god,atheist closed -minded denial of god' wa universal. Websters actually used that definition (changed it now) and I thought so, too until I joined an atheist forum and had that slapped out of me

I can't recall where I got this idea and I suppose others can't remember either, but I'll bet it is a logical misrepresentation put about by the religious.
That is my suspicion also, although it could also just be the general increase in sloppy thinking in the past generation or two. Assuming that's not traceable back to religion also.
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Old 02-09-2024, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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It's possible to have such an open mind that your brain falls out.
You'd be dead then...

And you would either know the entire truth..... or know nothing at all.

Unless of course there is soul sleep... which would mean you would know nothing at all for a while and THEN you would know the entire truth.
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