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Old 05-16-2023, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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In this thread I asked about premixing almost a whole gin bottle's worth of martinis, and keeping the batch in the freezer. As it turned out I had independently caught on to a hot new trend found at fashionable watering holes, just as Leibnitz and Newton invented calculus independently of each other. Go me!

But I've noticed now that when I first measure out a martini from the freezer batch, the liquid is actually translucent; a sort of pearly gray rather than water-clear. It's not unattractive, actually, just different, and it soon clears up. At first I thought it was just the frost on the glass, because I keep those in the freezer also, but as I said, I can see it in the liquid itself when I pour it into the mixing glass. But what does it mean? Is the vermouth freezing out of the mixture? I can't detect any difference in the taste.

As I mentioned in the other thread, I prefer martinis a little wet by contemporary standards, i.e. ~3.5 parts gin to 1 part vermouth. (I'm not even sure how I'd order that in a bar without annoying or insulting the barkeep.) What I did not mention in the other thread is that my freezer is currently set to 2°F (~ -17°C)

So, what's happening here? I'm curious about the physics of it. Is the sugar from the vermouth crystallizing?

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Old 05-17-2023, 07:04 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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My guess would be your freezer is just cold enough for the ingredients to freeze slightly and the translucency is caused by ice particles.
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Old 05-17-2023, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Did you use Clear Ice molds??
In a Clear Ice Maker, liquid passes through openings at the mold's top and bottom. The tiny air bubbles and liquid impurities are pushed outside the mold when freezing. This makes clear liquids crystal-clear.

https://www.amazon.com/True-Cubes-Cl...p_s_a_1_1_sspa

However, freezing alcohol or alcoholic drinks can ruin the taste and flavor of the alcohol.
Also, most alcohols will become cloudy in the freezer and thicken, but not freeze. This is a phenomenon called freezing point depression and can be rectified by thawing it.

The key difference between freezing point and freezing point depression is that freezing point is the temperature at which a liquid becomes a solid, whereas freezing point depression is the decrease of the freezing point of a solvent due to the addition of a solute into the solvent.

https://www.differencebetween.com/di...nt-depression/

https://punchdrink.com/articles/ever...roni-cocktail/

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Old 04-07-2024, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Did you use Clear Ice molds??
In a Clear Ice Maker, liquid passes through openings at the mold's top and bottom. The tiny air bubbles and liquid impurities are pushed outside the mold when freezing. This makes clear liquids crystal-clear.
We don't use ice molds at all as our freezer has an excellent ice maker. In the past I've usually found that ice from ice makers usually had an unpleasant taste reminiscent of oil or margarine, but the ice from the one we have now tastes perfectly clean.
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Old 04-07-2024, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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However, freezing alcohol or alcoholic drinks can ruin the taste and flavor of the alcohol.
Also, most alcohols will become cloudy in the freezer and thicken, but not freeze. This is a phenomenon called freezing point depression and can be rectified by thawing it.
I can't say I've noticed any problems with the taste, but it's possible that the drink "thaws" a little bit as I prepare and serve it.
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Old 04-10-2024, 06:59 PM
 
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I can't say I've noticed any problems with the taste, but it's possible that the drink "thaws" a little bit as I prepare and serve it.
I don't think a scientifically sound test can be made until after the third martini. Then, everything will probably taste just fine.
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