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Old 03-31-2023, 12:09 AM
 
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What do people think of this Old Kingdom DNA info?

Some 2023 Old Kingdom DNA results.

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DNA was extracted from 94 samples from Armant (Egypt), Nuerat (Egypt) and Ghaba (Sudan) dated from the Early Neolithic to the historic period. Genome-wide data were successfully recovered from one sample from Nuerat sequenced to 0.22X coverage, dated to 2,868-2,492 cal BCE (95.4% probability) - consistent with the 3rd-4th Dynasties of the Old Kingdom. Allele frequency-based analyses (PCA, ADMIXTURE, f-statistics, qpAdm) show a strong genetic affinity of this sample to Levantine Natufians.

https://researchonline.ljmu.ac.uk/id...xC47z1P6hHj9TQ
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Old 03-31-2023, 12:17 AM
 
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Isn't the racial makeup of Egypt similar to other North African countries?

In the southern parts the people are Black and darker skinned. From the middle on up the people are Berbers and Arabs. So will future DNA results show something similar with ancient Egypt?
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Old 04-02-2023, 06:33 PM
 
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Dear god, there have been a dozen threads on this in the past.

Egypt is the axis of three continents, and people have been back migrating for 50,000 years. All kinds of racial types were represented in AE. There are Egyptian statues with strikingly "black" features, and statues with blue and green eyes, as well as red or blonde hair.

In other words, it is exactly as it is today.
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Old 04-03-2023, 11:18 PM
 
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^^

It's that they got some Old Kingdom DNA results that's different.

The Abusir El Meleq results of 2017 got a lot of push back because those Abusir mummies weren't "real Egyptians" according to some because they were all foreigners from after the Hyksos. Now there's Old Kingdom results that seem to match the Abusir results. Now it's a matter of seeing how consistent the Abusir results will be with other regions and periods in ancient Egypt.
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Old 04-04-2023, 10:47 AM
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Isn't the racial makeup of Egypt similar to other North African countries?

In the southern parts the people are Black and darker skinned. From the middle on up the people are Berbers and Arabs. So will future DNA results show something similar with ancient Egypt?
That's a new world "colonial way" of looking at it.

Look at the Lizardis 2018 paper he classifies Iberomaurusians as a separate lineage(ANA, Anestral North Afiran). Take a look at the Taforalt samples.
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Old 04-04-2023, 11:31 AM
 
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https://mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com/p...-egypt-2020-by

I say if anyone wants to get an idea what is the case with the average Egyptian, focus on the Nile River Delta area and vicinity. The rest of Egypt (except along the Nile River minus the south and slong the Mediterranean Sea coast) is sparsely populated or not at all.

Chances are population density are now greater than in ancient time, but population distribution is probably very similar, if not the same.
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Old 04-05-2023, 05:20 PM
 
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Is there any clarity on how much of the ancient Egyptian population was made up of native North Africans vs people who came into Egypt with back migrations from the Middle East?

This info says most modern day Egyptians aren't Arabs but native North Africans. Only 3% are related to the Asian Minor.

"As the graph below shows, only 17 percent of Egyptians are Arabs, while 68 percent of the indigenous population is from North Africa, four percent are from Jewish ancestry, three percent are of East African origins, another three percent from Asia Minor and three percent are South European."

https://egyptindependent.com/dna-ana...are-not-arabs/
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Old 07-19-2023, 04:22 PM
 
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What do people think of this Old Kingdom DNA info?

Some 2023 Old Kingdom DNA results.
It doesn’t mean anything. At one point Egypt was essentially the “United States” of the ancient world. People have been going back and forth from Egypt for thousands of years.
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Old 07-20-2023, 09:01 AM
 
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As far as the various foreign rulers who took over ancient Egypt.

How many of those foreign groups actually settled in Egypt after their takeovers? What were their numbers in comparison to the native Egyptian population numbers?

People saying that modern day Egyptians are descendants of the various foreigners who took over ancient Egypt need to come with some clarity on the settlement numbers for those foreign groups.
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