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In my book, anyone who always deliberately keeps enough stuff on hand to weather two weeks or more, without going to the market, is a prepper. Many of them keep enough for a few months, and that is OK. But if your whole life revolves around that, maybe not.
Ranchers, farmers and homesteaders (self sufficient kind) are a step above preppers.
And any stripe of marxist is a step below sheeple.
The Hutterites, for over 500 years (est.) have put into practice a form of Christian Communism. There is little to no ownership of personal property, your duty is to the colony. Income generated is the property of the colony. Their level of self sufficiency is off the charts.
Colony income and new colony growth is primarily drawn thru agriculture revenue. As land prices have skyrocketed, new colony expansion has been difficult. A lot of colonies have now incorporated manufacturing as a means to generate revenue for growth.
Interestingly the Hutterites were originally producers/tradesmen as far back as the 16th century, only taking up agriculture thru the advice of the Mennonites in the early 1800's. They're kinda going back to their roots.
The Hutterites, for over 500 years (est.) have put into practice a form of Christian Communism. There is little to no ownership of personal property, your duty is to the colony. Income generated is the property of the colony. Their level of self sufficiency is off the charts.
Colony income and new colony growth is primarily drawn thru agriculture revenue. As land prices have skyrocketed, new colony expansion has been difficult. A lot of colonies have now incorporated manufacturing as a means to generate revenue for growth.
Interestingly the Hutterites were originally producers/tradesmen as far back as the 16th century, only taking up agriculture thru the advice of the Mennonites in the early 1800's. They're kinda going back to their roots.
I did not think of the Hutterites in my evaluation, but even so, they practice communal living only among themselves, and do not seek to force others live in a marxist society, as true marxists do.
I did not think of the Hutterites in my evaluation, but even so, they practice communal living only among themselves, and do not seek to force others live in a marxist society, as true marxists do.
Most anabaptists, less so Hutterites, proselytize their faith. Not by force but by conversion. Ironically we took an opposite approach- largely forcing otherwise self sufficient tribal communities to European standards of faith and living.
2 weeks worth of food would be enough here for minor things like power cuts but thats about all.
we can grow a lot here as its a mild climate but we still gets frosts and ice and the occasional snow dusting.
I was not thinking in terms of power outages. In my region, the power grid normally goes dark every month. A power outage is not unusual in any context.
If you only focused on having food for 2 weeks, what happens next?
After those two weeks have gone by, and you begin to run out of food, what do you harvest next?
I was not thinking in terms of power outages. In my region, the power grid normally goes dark every month. A power outage is not unusual in any context.
If you only focused on having food for 2 weeks, what happens next?
After those two weeks have gone by, and you begin to run out of food, what do you harvest next?
I dont know mate, I keep more than 2 weeks worth so it dosent apply, I also grow some of our own food.
Most anabaptists, less so Hutterites, proselytize their faith. Not by force but by conversion. Ironically we took an opposite approach- largely forcing otherwise self sufficient tribal communities to European standards of faith and living.
Interesting history.
Apples and oranges, but thanks anyway.
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Originally Posted by Submariner
.. what do you harvest next?
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Originally Posted by bigpaul
I dont know mate, I keep more than 2 weeks worth so it dosent apply, I also grow some of our own food.
It doesn't apply to either of you, because you are both Homesteader or Farmer.
And I said 2 weeks or more. The "or more" is important, as that could be 2 years, since that is more than two weeks.
I have long believed that "solo survival" is a short term solution. Whereas group survival is for the long term.
Re: RIVER BED
POSITIVE : Founding a cooperative community, pooling resources, helping each other out, not going alone as a solo survivalist.
NEGATIVE : Trapped in the money mad system, still needing money, single family detached housing, at risk agricultural vocation, unsustainable, net consumer of resources.
IMPROVEMENT : Construct a dual ring “farmers” village, that’s secure, frugal, efficient, disaster resistant, autonomous, resilient, and durable. And commute to farms & gardens; provide alternatives to farming for those who cannot farm anymore or don’t want to farm. Reduce consumption of resources to achieve one’s goals. Generate more surplus usable goods and services. Raise standard of living. Mutual defense of property rights. Not be alone when in dire circumstances, aged or infirm.
ALTERNATIVES : Consider adding features of Kibbutz communities, intentional communities, and other voluntary associations (i.e. fraternal organizations). Benefits include economies of scale, and alternatives to the isolated “family farmer” paradigm.
Examples:
_ _ Commercial laundry service for the community, instead of multiple washer / dryers.
_ _ Olympic size swimming pool, instead of a multitude of small pools.
_ _ Community sponsored supervised child care and large playground space, instead of small back yards, etc.
_ _ On-site large scale food preparation and service, with optional home delivery.
_ _ Cooperatively owned machinery and workshops (agricultural machines, metal working, wood working, ceramics, 3D printing, etc)
_ _ Skilled specialists (& other vocations), instead of multiple jack-of-all-trades small scale farmers (at risk of injury, etc)
_ _ Suitable for rail based transportation (consolidated population to support a train stop or spur).
_ _ Community kitchen, group dining, fellowship hall, little theater, guest lodgings, for seminars, family reunions, and other large scale gatherings that would otherwise stress any single family detached housing unit.
_ _ Intrinsic medical care options (on-site physician, dentist, paramedic, polyclinic, etc), with remote monitoring capability (Fitbit health watch?) so one’s own bed can be used as an in-house “hospital bed,” and where the doctor can do “rounds” in the round, thus drastically reducing costs to provide necessary care.
_ _ Personal services : barber, hair stylist, tailor, shoe repair, small appliance repair, etc.
_ _ Community sponsored classrooms, lecture halls, AV studios, dance hall, dojo, exercise gym, art studios, etc.
_ _ Community provided RV hookups for guests and temporary transients.
_ _ Community size charitable activities (group service to others in the larger community - house raisings - barn raisings - visiting the sick - disaster relief - search and rescue)
_ _ Incorporate features suited to historical re-enactors and entertainers. One possible model is Shakespeare's Globe theater. The Globe's actual dimensions are unknown, but its shape and size can be approximated as a three-story, open-air amphitheater approximately 100 feet (30 m) in diameter that could house up to 3,000 spectators. Such a replica in the middle of the DRV could be used for any number of functions, as well as a stage for performances. And also properly engineered acoustics so as to not need amplification.
A dual ring village is basically two circular buildings that result in a central park, an inner ring building, a ring road (main street), and an outer ring building, preferably with the outer wall constructed as a robust barrier to flash floods, storm surge, mud slides, avalanches, snow drifts, high wind, flying debris, earthquakes, etc. With a water tight double gateway, the DRV is a secure refuge. It provides the benefits of urban, suburban and rural settings, and access to community amenities.
There are many historical precedents for such construction. One is the Hakka Tulou Earthen Fortresses (clan homes) that have been built for over 1000 years in China. (Disney's MULAN was filmed in one)
Unfortunately, "modern" China's transformation has resulted in their abandonment. Often, only the elderly remain, as the young head for the big cities and jobs.
Communities like RIVER BED might benefit from incorporating these designs. Ring buildings are intrinsically stronger, have less surface area exposed, and thus are warm in winter and cool in summer.
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