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Old 02-22-2024, 06:57 AM
 
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Argentina peronism is a form or facism. Juan peron spent time in facist Italy and nazi Germany and was inspired on economic arturkic socialism of those two nations. Only in the Anglosphere that we. View nazism and facism as right wing for some odd reason. Nazism and facism is just as socialist economically as communism and Marxist governments.
That is a fact of which many are unaware. US public school systems are completely inept at covering history.
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Old 02-22-2024, 07:14 AM
 
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Naziism has only been viewed that way because that’s how it’s been portrayed by the left wing media in this country. They have always wanted to connect it with conservatives. In reality, there are Nazis on both the far right and far left, but the government put in place by Germany and Italy were far closer to authoritarianism than democracy…and thus more closely associated with left wing fascism.

I’m not an Argentinian expert, but as you said, peronism is basically a form of authoritarian socialism that gives government far to much control over the economy and the people’s personal lives.
Interesting enough. Communism Marxist spectrum views communism as a right wing principle and capitalism and liberalism as left-wing.
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Old 02-22-2024, 07:14 AM
 
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Naziism has only been viewed that way because that’s how it’s been portrayed by the left wing media in this country. They have always wanted to connect it with conservatives. In reality, there are Nazis on both the far right and far left, but the government put in place by Germany and Italy were far closer to authoritarianism than democracy…and thus more closely associated with left wing fascism.

I’m not an Argentinian expert, but as you said, peronism is basically a form of authoritarian socialism that gives government far to much control over the economy and the people’s personal lives.
That is incorrect. Fascism and Nazism are viewed that way because most base it on Germany which was a Mixed economy with FREE MARKETS and central planning but retained all private property rights so it's not communism as insinuated. Hitler did not take over companies he made partnerships with German businesses, suppressed trade union activity (Sound familiar), and encouraged cartel-like behavior. Now Germany did start to take more steps to take over business activity but that was toward the end of WW2 when their economy was faltering due to losing the war but that was not the actual structure of the economy under Nazi party.

The Central planning part is what makes people believe it was communist or socialist but in reality, it was a market economy with the Government picking winners and losers which is not that far off from how the USA operates in modern times via Military contracts, Big Pharm, consolidation of markets into a few key players that function like cartels (US food supply is a great example of this).

It was a form of Hypercapitolism and to be honest it would resemble our modern economy much more than it seems people here realize. And this was not an invention of the Nazi party, this was based on an economic theory derived from Capitalism which is why people like Henery Ford were in favor of Hitler's economic plan. Industrialists of the time loved Germany's idea of letting the Big players gobble up the competition, it was a shared goal that the big industrialist had here in the USA as well.
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Old 02-22-2024, 07:15 AM
 
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That is a fact of which many are unaware. US public school systems are completely inept at covering history.
It's worst on the university levels within the Anglosphere especially in united states and Canada. Anglosphere is very wierd.
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Old 02-22-2024, 07:16 AM
 
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That is incorrect. Fascism and Nazism are viewed that way because most base it on Germany which was a Mixed economy with FREE MARKETS and central planning but retained all private property rights still remained. Hitler did not take over companies he made partnerships with German businesses suppressed trade union activity and encouraged cartel-like behavior. Now Germany did start to take more steps to take over business activity but that was toward the end of WW2 when their economy was faltering due to losing the war but that was not the actual structure of the economy as set.

The Central planning part is what makes people believe it was communist or socialist but in reality, it was a market economy with the Government picking winners and losers which is not that far off from how the USA operates in modern times via Military contracts, Big Pharm, consolidation of markets into a few key players that function like cartels (US food supply is a great example of this).

It was a form of Hypercapitolism and to be honest it would resemble our modern economy much more than it seems people here realize.
That is 100% incorrect. Jews and others had all their wealth confiscated. They did not retain their property rights.
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Old 02-22-2024, 07:20 AM
 
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That is incorrect. Fascism and Nazism are viewed that way because most base it on Germany which was a Mixed economy with FREE MARKETS and central planning but retained all private property rights so it's not communism as insinuated. Hitler did not take over companies he made partnerships with German businesses, suppressed trade union activity (Sound familiar), and encouraged cartel-like behavior. Now Germany did start to take more steps to take over business activity but that was toward the end of WW2 when their economy was faltering due to losing the war but that was not the actual structure of the economy under Nazi party.

The Central planning part is what makes people believe it was communist or socialist but in reality, it was a market economy with the Government picking winners and losers which is not that far off from how the USA operates in modern times via Military contracts, Big Pharm, consolidation of markets into a few key players that function like cartels (US food supply is a great example of this).

It was a form of Hypercapitolism and to be honest it would resemble our modern economy much more than it seems people here realize.
I disagree. Hitler even disliked capitalism and even praised Marxism in his book mein kampf. Look at volks wagon. In German it translated to people's car. No different than peoples liberation army of China or peoples temple of socialist Jim Jones who killed them selves along with 900 other Americans in guyana.

Any how socialist economies go bust regardless of nazism or communism.
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Old 02-22-2024, 07:41 AM
 
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Interesting enough. Communism Marxist spectrum views communism as a right wing principle and capitalism and liberalism as left-wing.
According to whom? Europeans? In the States, the socialism-communism spectrum is associated with the left. However, an authoritarian government can be set up by either the right or left. Historically, however, authoritarianism and fascism has been more associated with the left (as we define it in the States).

Many on the right (not far right) have a general belief in the Bible and that it teaches we have rights and freedom given to us by God that cannot be taken by man. Similar language is used in the nation’s founding documents. This does not necessarily mean that the left are all atheists. I know several democrats (old school ones) that call themselves Christians. However, if you look at the leaders who have lead socialists, Marxists, communist revolutions, the majority if not all have been staunch atheists. Removing the belief that we have inalienable rights, puts egotistical men/women in charge of rights, and that’s not a good combination.
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Old 02-22-2024, 07:51 AM
 
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That is incorrect. Fascism and Nazism are viewed that way because most base it on Germany which was a Mixed economy with FREE MARKETS and central planning but retained all private property rights so it's not communism as insinuated. Hitler did not take over companies he made partnerships with German businesses, suppressed trade union activity (Sound familiar), and encouraged cartel-like behavior. Now Germany did start to take more steps to take over business activity but that was toward the end of WW2 when their economy was faltering due to losing the war but that was not the actual structure of the economy under Nazi party.

The Central planning part is what makes people believe it was communist or socialist but in reality, it was a market economy with the Government picking winners and losers which is not that far off from how the USA operates in modern times via Military contracts, Big Pharm, consolidation of markets into a few key players that function like cartels (US food supply is a great example of this).

It was a form of Hypercapitolism and to be honest it would resemble our modern economy much more than it seems people here realize. And this was not an invention of the Nazi party, this was based on an economic theory derived from Capitalism which is why people like Henery Ford were in favor of Hitler's economic plan. Industrialists of the time loved Germany's idea of letting the Big players gobble up the competition, it was a shared goal that the big industrialist had here in the USA as well.
As others have already mentioned, this comment is incorrect. Hitler said one thing but did another. He talked out of both sides of his mouth. Said he was for democracy but praised Stalin, tried to get business to turn their rights over to government and confiscated an entire segment’s possessions (and life). By all reasonable measures, Germany went from a democracy to dictatorship under Hitler.

Honestly, what scares me are seeing these patterns repeated by the left today. You had city government in San Francisco declare they would not work with 30 other states because they did not FEEL THE SAME WAY THEY DID ABOUT LGBT issues. That is insane! Like, you don’t agree with us on everything, we will take your livelihood. That is fascism! Thankfully that course has hurt San Fran more than the states, but the left in this country are scary people. You will bow to their every belief or have your life taken from you. Scary sh1t.
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Old 02-22-2024, 08:24 AM
 
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Which is the best run country south of the US border, to include the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico?
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Old 02-22-2024, 09:40 AM
 
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Which is the best run country south of the US border, to include the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico?
Probably Uruguay. Low crime & low corruption… better than our government in some ways!
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