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Do you have an idea of how much the process will be for your building? I will say that we are finally getting down to business on this project, but we've been talking about it since at least 2016.
We were meeting with the facilitators years ago and they were recommending "getting in line" then as they saw a 2-3 year wait to start actual work. At this point I believe we are still fooling around with consultants.
I have a 3 story walk up that has been very proactive and we go in and replace all the pipes we can when an owner does a kitchen or bath remodel. Another property with almost 3 times the number of units is moving forward soon. They are saying they will be in and out of a unit in a week and each evening they will leave a workable kitchen and bath so it will mostly be a day time inconvenience. Haven't seen a cost yet.
It would be nice if there was some organized effort to get rid of the sprinkler law. It is overkill, pun intended.
It would be nice if there was some organized effort to get rid of the sprinkler law. It is overkill, pun intended.
Organized effort by who - I suspect the sprinkler law is overwhelmingly popular. No Mayor or legislature is ever going to walk back a sprinkler ordinance.
Now is the very best time to do it - property values are up - tap that equity.
Organized effort by who - I suspect the sprinkler law is overwhelmingly popular. No Mayor or legislature is ever going to walk back a sprinkler ordinance.
The taxpayers need to organize. If politicians can vote against family leave then surely this isn't a protected law. Just need the proper spin. Say call it forced fluoridation of your condo. Has anyone done any studies of the environmental effect when Fluoridated water hits high temperatures? I think I'll be doing my OWN research before I allow the government to state piping this poison into my living space. Ammirite, Americans?
Once owners start seeing hard costs on these projects I think there will be some backlash. Hundreds of millions to save how many lives? I am going to call my representatives and encourage others to do as well.
If we can't get rid of rail - and the lifetime of costs that will go with it - you won't get rid of sprinkler requirements - if not the City and County requirements - the insurance companies would be next to require
Yeah, but we were spending someone elses money. We paid pennies on the dollar!! Maybe those federal people will spring for some million dollar grants. Shoot, they may need some one at $400,000 a year to manage that. Time for some resume dusting.
I'll take any assistance on this issue that they offer. I don't disagree with the intent of the law, but it is a bit heavy-handed and unnecessary in some cases.
Since the Marco Polo fire, there have been 239 high-rise fires and 79.4% of the buildings that burned did not have sprinklers, according to HFD.
You can't fight statistics.
I'm curious to know how many of these buildings burned for an extended period of time and weren't able to be put out quickly by the fire department
Otherwise, that's a statistic that doesn't inherently justify costly mandatory sprinklers
Also, on statistics, 70% of high rises in Honolulu don't have sprinklers, so that number doesn't sound as alarming as it may otherwise, proving once again that statistics can be meaningless without context.
Since the Marco Polo fire, there have been 239 high-rise fires and 79.4% of the buildings that burned did not have sprinklers, according to HFD.
You can't fight statistics.
The sprinklered to non-sprinklered building ratio on Oahu is almost identical to that figure. So all they are saying is we've had 239 fires over 4 years. Nice bit of info I suppose but totally irrelevant to the story. I thought civil beat was a little better at their reporting than that.
I don't understand why they just don't require common area sprinklers and sprinklers only at large exterior openings (I.e. windows and lanai doors). Far far lower cost to install and significantly less intrusive to residents. It achieves the goal of preventing fire from spreading from one unit to another and keeps common areas free of spreading flames so escape to fire exits is not blocked.
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