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Old 10-23-2023, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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As well as births.
Net domestic migration looks at people moving out vs people moving in, and it says NY's losing Hundreds of Millions of affluent taxpayers.

Spending is up due to illegals, and revenues are down due to affluent exodus:

https://www.osc.state.ny.us/press/re...se%20in%202019.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/02/new-...ax-states.html

New birth babies, & illegals don't pay the tax bills. New York City is in steep decline.

Employers are fleeing too, so there goes the jobs...to Florida...the "WAll Street of the South"
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Old 10-23-2023, 12:43 PM
 
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Net domestic migration looks at people moving out vs people moving in, and it says NY's losing Hundreds of Millions of affluent taxpayers.

Spending is up due to illegals, and revenues are down due to affluent exodus:

https://www.osc.state.ny.us/press/re...se%20in%202019.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/02/new-...ax-states.html

New birth babies, & illegals don't pay the tax bills. New York City is in steep decline.

Employers are fleeing too, so there goes the jobs...to Florida...the "WAll Street of the South"
That would go to Charlotte NC, which has a pretty big financial industry.

Many go to FL to retire and/or the zero income tax.
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Old 10-23-2023, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Ashland, Oregon
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When people who support all the migrants who will "fill jobs nobody wants" they point out to lower birth rates among American citizens. Well, gee, I wonder why:

New York. Vaginal birth with insurance costs $8,462.84, while one without insurance costs $16,057.74. A C-section in New York costs $12,114.11 with insurance and $22,059.22 without insurance.

Meantime, you can swim across the Rio Grande and have a free delivery. We're doing something wrong.
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Old 10-23-2023, 06:04 PM
 
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Net domestic migration looks at people moving out vs people moving in, and it says NY's losing Hundreds of Millions of affluent taxpayers.

Spending is up due to illegals, and revenues are down due to affluent exodus:

https://www.osc.state.ny.us/press/re...se%20in%202019.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/02/new-...ax-states.html

New birth babies, & illegals don't pay the tax bills. New York City is in steep decline.

Employers are fleeing too, so there goes the jobs...to Florida...the "WAll Street of the South"
The exodus to Florida is over, nobody is going to sell their NY home with a 3% mortgage and switch to an 8% one to move to Florida. Many real estate companies are waiting for NYC commercial RE prices to bottom before they come in and buy. Middle class homes are going for $850,000 in NYC suburbs and many homeowners work in Manhattan. NYC ain't dead yet.
BTW, JP Morgan Chase is building a brand new skyscraper in NYC, it was in the local papers today.

/www.jpmorganchase.com/news-stories/jpmorgan-chase-unveils-plans-for-new-global-headquarters-building-in-new-york-city

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Old 10-23-2023, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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It's just odd to me with all of these people supposedly fleeing NY you'd think there would be more of a buyers market for residential real estate. But it's been extremely tough and competitive for buyers (delayed negotiations, bidding wars, homes selling $100,000 over asking, etc.) If there's truly a mass exodus it's sure not reflected in the real estate market.
Unless folks can afford to sell then pay cash, I don't see why anyone would sell right now. The interest rates are too high to justify selling, hence why inventory is tight. My mortgage is at 2.5% fixed. Will be paid off soon. I foresee the 30 yr. going to 9% by the end of the year, maybe 10% next year and into 2025.

Read last week where escrow for many folks is skyrocketing. Homeowners' ins. and taxes are rising across the U.S.

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Old 10-23-2023, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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As well as births.
Births in NY???

Some of the lowest birth rates in the U.S.
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Old 10-23-2023, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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....For the first time..I have started giving consideration to selling most of my acreage, farm buildings, home...and moving to a rural area in north/central Pa.
Hunt there once per year, in fact going soon. I swear deer out-populate humans, anymore. It's turning into life after people, but if that's what you're after...
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Old 10-23-2023, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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The exodus to Florida is over, nobody is going to sell their NY home with a 3% mortgage and switch to an 8% one to move to Florida. Many real estate companies are waiting for NYC commercial RE prices to bottom before they come in and buy. Middle class homes are going for $850,000 in NYC suburbs and many homeowners work in Manhattan. NYC ain't dead yet.
BTW, JP Morgan Chase is building a brand new skyscraper in NYC, it was in the local papers today.

/www.jpmorganchase.com/news-stories/jpmorgan-chase-unveils-plans-for-new-global-headquarters-building-in-new-york-city
We'll see when the 2023 stats arrive a year from now...
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Old 10-23-2023, 08:09 PM
 
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Unless folks can afford to sell then pay cash, I don't see why anyone would sell right now. The interest rates are too high to justify selling, hence why inventory is tight.
^ This rings true. Inventory is indeed very tight. People seem to be staying put as you describe. Which again contradicts the mass exodus narrative.

I don't see how such a roaring sellers market could coincide with the population dramatically decreasing. My hunch is that NY's total population figure is remaining stable.
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Old 10-23-2023, 08:21 PM
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^ This rings true. Inventory is indeed very tight. People seem to be staying put as you describe. Which again contradicts the mass exodus narrative.

I don't see how such a roaring sellers market could coincide with the population dramatically decreasing. My hunch is that NY's total population figure is remaining stable.
That was the old days. Thousands leaving, thousands coming in.
It evened out.
For the first time in a long time NY has experienced a net loss. More left than came in.
And the NY government are pooping their pants because of the revenue loss.
There’s tons of articles out there discussing this.
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