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Iowa had something over 50k troops during the war fighting for the Union to subdue the South in a completely unconstitutional war.That’s not just Yankees, that’s damn Yankees.
People from the north aren't the only ones coming here, and if the town planners or council or whoever approves these things had not approved all the sale of the land and all the new housing developments, then all the people would not be coming here.
So if there is someone to "blame" it should start with the town govt. It's on them because they opened the door.
To which someone could quickly respond, "If y'all hadn't made such a mess of your home, you could have stayed there."
We native Southerners (and I count, as my family first came to South Carolina before 1776) need to get over the whole 1861-65 fixation and "Yankee" hostility. Time to move on.
Iowa had something over 50k troops during the war fighting for the Union to subdue the South in a completely unconstitutional war.That’s not just Yankees, that’s damn Yankees.
And that was a LONG time ago. The people that live here today have nothing to do with what happened in the 1800s....
Iowa had something over 50k troops during the war fighting for the Union to subdue the South in a completely unconstitutional war.That’s not just Yankees, that’s damn Yankees.
See what I mean? Look at his tone, 160 years later but he's still pissed that "his" state wasn't allowed to break away from the USA and continue slavery for the foreseeable future. That hate was handed down to him through generations.
See what I mean? Look at his tone, 160 years later but he's still pissed that "his" state wasn't allowed to break away from the USA and continue slavery for the foreseeable future. That hate was handed down to him through generations.
I find the common retorts referencing the south losing the Civil War whenever someone attempts to defend southern culture to be ignorant at best, and downright insulting at worst. For one thing, the vast majority of southerners in the Antebellum south did not own slaves. That was reserved for the wealthy landowners who, while highly visible, represented a minority of people in the south.
To equate a desire for the slower-paced, genteel manner, and general friendliness that is part of southern culture to live on with resentment over losing the Civil War and no longer owning other human beings as chattel is indicative of someone just not getting it. And equally frustrating is you can't really tell someone what "it" is. You either have to grow up steeped in it, or be willing to immerse yourself in it and pick up on it organically.
There are enough transplants here from other parts of the country that do seem to get it that lets me know it's possible, but there are also plenty of people who never will. These are the ones who maybe spent some time here for work or the military, or vacationed here once or twice, and fell in love with the superficial aspects of the south, like warmer climate or lower cost of living without considering the fact that there is a definite and somewhat homogenous culture that binds our little cluster of states that's pretty unique from the rest of the country. It's a culture that clashes with the blunt impatience of the northeast, or the more socially liberal attitudes of the west coast, for example.
Southern hospitality isn't an entitlement, contrary to popular belief. It's the olive branch we extend to people by default, and the person on the other end has all the power to steer it in whatever direction they choose. What I mean is, yes, in general, our initial response to anyone visiting and moving here is warm and welcoming. Part of that is just manners. The "southern way" if you want to call it that is to assume the other person is good-natured and open to our brand of kindness (for example, using "sir" and "ma'am" as terms of respect). How it's received is purely the concern of the other person.
Contrary to all of the southern stereotypes, we're not quite the slack-jawed, slow-witted idiots as portrayed by popular media. We're very perceptive to things like arrogance and condescension and when we're on the receiving end of it for too long, we take great pleasure in dishing it back. So for anyone saying that southern hospitality is a myth, consider how you present yourself. Are you loud, brash, rude, impatient, and condescending? Do you turn your nose up at a well-intentioned "sir" or "ma'am"? Are you constantly complaining that the south is... well, the south, including the woeful lack of whatever regional comfort food or item you left behind? Take a moment and think about how you'd feel if someone from the south moved to your old neighborhood in New York, or Pennsylvania, or Vermont, or wherever and constantly bitched about the cold, the rude people, and lack of decent barbecue and maybe you might understand why we react the way we do.
I find the common retorts referencing the south losing the Civil War whenever someone attempts to defend southern culture to be ignorant at best, and downright insulting at worst. For one thing, the vast majority of southerners in the Antebellum south did not own slaves. That was reserved for the wealthy landowners who, while highly visible, represented a minority of people in the south.
To equate a desire for the slower-paced, genteel manner, and general friendliness that is part of southern culture to live on with resentment over losing the Civil War and no longer owning other human beings as chattel is indicative of someone just not getting it. And equally frustrating is you can't really tell someone what "it" is. You either have to grow up steeped in it, or be willing to immerse yourself in it and pick up on it organically.
There are enough transplants here from other parts of the country that do seem to get it that lets me know it's possible, but there are also plenty of people who never will. These are the ones who maybe spent some time here for work or the military, or vacationed here once or twice, and fell in love with the superficial aspects of the south, like warmer climate or lower cost of living without considering the fact that there is a definite and somewhat homogenous culture that binds our little cluster of states that's pretty unique from the rest of the country. It's a culture that clashes with the blunt impatience of the northeast, or the more socially liberal attitudes of the west coast, for example.
Southern hospitality isn't an entitlement, contrary to popular belief. It's the olive branch we extend to people by default, and the person on the other end has all the power to steer it in whatever direction they choose. What I mean is, yes, in general, our initial response to anyone visiting and moving here is warm and welcoming. Part of that is just manners. The "southern way" if you want to call it that is to assume the other person is good-natured and open to our brand of kindness (for example, using "sir" and "ma'am" as terms of respect). How it's received is purely the concern of the other person.
Contrary to all of the southern stereotypes, we're not quite the slack-jawed, slow-witted idiots as portrayed by popular media. We're very perceptive to things like arrogance and condescension and when we're on the receiving end of it for too long, we take great pleasure in dishing it back. So for anyone saying that southern hospitality is a myth, consider how you present yourself. Are you loud, brash, rude, impatient, and condescending? Do you turn your nose up at a well-intentioned "sir" or "ma'am"? Are you constantly complaining that the south is... well, the south, including the woeful lack of whatever regional comfort food or item you left behind? Take a moment and think about how you'd feel if someone from the south moved to your old neighborhood in New York, or Pennsylvania, or Vermont, or wherever and constantly bitched about the cold, the rude people, and lack of decent barbecue and maybe you might understand why we react the way we do.
Well said and this from a Yankee in Dixie.
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