California is a violent hellscape? lets look at some stats (Los Angeles: amusement park, insurance)

[18Montclair]

Oakland and Bakersfield are the only 2 CA cities in this list to have 20+ murders per 100,000 people.

2022 Murder Rate Per 100,000 Population:
20+
77 Jackson, MS
71 New Orleans, LA
68 Birmingham, AL
64 St Louis, MO
55 Cleveland, OH
54 Baltimore, MD
51 Baton Rouge, LA
46 Detroit, MI
44 Memphis, TN
36 Kansas City, MO
36 Milwaukee, WI
34 Atlanta, GA
33 Philadelphia, PA
30 Oakland, CA
30 Washington, DC
27 Chicago, IL
26 Indianapolis, IN
26 Bakersfield, CA
26 Louisville, KY
26 Shreveport, LA
22 Las Vegas, NM
22 Miami, FL
21 Albuquerque, NM

In any event, when I was a kid, Oakland's murder rate was 44/100,000, so while it's still too high, it has gone down quite a bit over time.

[apple92680]

Originally Posted by dontbelievehim

They miss how white and conservative ca used to be. Brown people are scary to old people.

Isn't it interesting that when California was more conservative, and "whiter", that it was also more violent on the whole?

A lot of this has to do with the fact that Latinos, by and large, have now moved into the middle class and are less poor, and therefor, less prone to social upheaval. Asians, as a group, aren't prone to violence, and they now make up 15% of California's population. California has a larger Asian population than any other state, outside of Hawaii.

Another theory as to why California was more violent 20, 30, 40 and 50 years ago, could be because at the time, it was drawing a largely blue collar class to work in the automotive factories, the shipyards, the ports, the manufacturing facilities and the military bases, all of which were much more prevalent to the economy at the time. The nature of California's work force has shifted over the decades, along with it's demographic profile.

[CA4Now]

There's a lot of conflicting data about this.

Crime Trends in California:
https://www.ppic.org/publication/cri...in-california/

California crime story: The numbers, explained:
https://calmatters.org/explainers/ca...crime-numbers/

[dontbelievehim]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Oakland and Bakersfield are the only 2 CA cities in this list to have 20+ murders per 100,000 people.

2022 Murder Rate Per 100,000 Population:
20+
77 Jackson, MS
71 New Orleans, LA
68 Birmingham, AL
64 St Louis, MO
55 Cleveland, OH
54 Baltimore, MD
51 Baton Rouge, LA
46 Detroit, MI
44 Memphis, TN
36 Kansas City, MO
36 Milwaukee, WI
34 Atlanta, GA
33 Philadelphia, PA
30 Oakland, CA
30 Washington, DC
27 Chicago, IL
26 Indianapolis, IN
26 Bakersfield, CA
26 Louisville, KY
26 Shreveport, LA
22 Las Vegas, NM
22 Miami, FL
21 Albuquerque, NM

In any event, when I was a kid, Oakland's murder rate was 44/100,000, so while it's still too high, it has gone down quite a bit over time.

Bakersfields rate is probably half of whats listed. 97 homicides is for the whole county, not the city.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by apple92680

Isn't it interesting that when California was more conservative, and "whiter", that it was also more violent on the whole?

A lot of this has to do with the fact that Latinos, by and large, have now moved into the middle class and are less poor, and therefor, less prone to social upheaval. Asians, as a group, aren't prone to violence, and they now make up 15% of California's population. California has a larger Asian population than any other state, outside of Hawaii.

The above is all very spurious and tinged in unintentional (I hope) racism.

Another theory as to why California was more violent 20, 30, 40 and 50 years ago, could be because at the time, it was drawing a largely blue collar class to work in the automotive factories, the shipyards, the ports, the manufacturing facilities and the military bases, all of which were much more prevalent to the economy at the time. The nature of California's work force has shifted over the decades, along with it's demographic profile.

This is better but violent crimes trends across the nation ebb and flow, and California doesn't stand out from the other 49 states with respect to those figures over the decades. A link between poverty/living standard and crime --yes. Sure. But drawing conclusions based on groups' tendencies to be "prone to violence", especially if race is used to define such groups, is a walk on the dark side imo.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

California crime story: The numbers, explained:
https://calmatters.org/explainers/ca...crime-numbers/

Good piece. Lot's of information.

For those who didn't read it:



So how do we interpret California’s crime statistics? What does a spike in homicides in 2020 mean? Why did property crime go down in the first year of the pandemic? How many years of data do we need to create responsive policy? The answer, according to those who study the issue – and aren’t running for office or stoking a political agenda — is: Don’t jump to conclusions.


Also, since this thread is focused so narrowly on homicides, search 'widely varying rates' and read that too.

[MechAndy]

Sounds like another form of “acceptable” racism to me .

[NJ Brazen_3133]

Can you provide source for this list?

[NJ Brazen_3133]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

There's a lot of conflicting data about this.

Crime Trends in California:
https://www.ppic.org/publication/cri...in-california/

California crime story: The numbers, explained:
https://calmatters.org/explainers/ca...crime-numbers/

California right now has less powerful and rowdy domestic gangs like Blood, Crips, Tiny Rascals, Asian Boys, Wah Chings, 18th Street, Las Avenidas. They still around, but they aint warring with each other like they used.

Perhaps the Mexican Cartels are being smarter about their business.

[Californiaguy2007]

So true,California overall is just a safer state today.

Originally Posted by caliguy92832

California crime nowadays is nothing compared to like 30 years ago.

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm