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I didn't say that, as a moderator I would have thought putting words into the mouth of a member was the last thing you would be doing.
What I said was that if some time in the future a conflict occurred between other parties, Britain and Europe may find themselves on opposite sides because of the allegiances or treaties each has made with different parties.
That's no different to the EU and US, however NATO is still present, if it's were not then all bets are off, and economically the current bigger threat to the US would be the EU, not the UK. So strategically it's in the US interests to support the UK in preference to the EU.
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I'm sure before WWI the same would have been said about Britain and Germany with their Royal Families related, but conflict did break out and the two countries found themselves on opposite sides.
Agreed, if it wasn't for that damn Archduke it wouldn't have happened.
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All relationships need to be worked on be that between marriage partners or countries, going a different track has the potential to blow up later on, no matter how sincere the parties are at the time.
So does staying the course with others when you have diverging expectations. Cutting your own path avoids disappointment of unfulfilled expectations and subsequent backlash. The truth is staying in a bad relationship (of any kind) or leaving can lead to poor outcomes, no one has a crystal ball. However staying isn't a guarantee that things won't blow up.
Was not the idea of the EU, to unite Europe? Britain has just become the first traitor to that cause, and in any future conflict could well be see as the Pariah that ruined the ideal.
I think the destruction has just started. As far as NATO is concerned, has not that alliance been significantly damaged by the utterances of Mr Trump? Let's hope, at least, it can recover.
This is a silly idea that posits a rather far-fetched scenario. Besides, the premise that the EU is in reality anything other than a 'borderless' trading block is disingenuous.
A true political union requires a UNIFIED BUDGET AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, and a single executive power of law enforcement.
The chances of that happening are slim to none.
That's no different to the EU and US, however NATO is still present, if it's were not then all bets are off, and economically the current bigger threat to the US would be the EU, not the UK. So strategically it's in the US interests to support the UK in preference to the EU.
You are assuming that the US will remain the leading economic and military power in the world, that may not always be the case, and who knows what future alliances will be formed?
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This is a silly idea that posits a rather far-fetched scenario.
You are assuming that the US will remain the leading economic and military power in the world, that may not always be the case, and who knows what future alliances will be formed?
I'm assuming no such thing, the assumption I made in that comment is that the EU does not self destruct nor become a insignificant economy.
There is really no way in our lifetimes that the US will become irrelevant either economically or militarily.
Its a trade bloc. You get that? It doesn't have any armed force any armed forces are under sole control of the countries who may be in the EU.
NATO will never be significantly damaged until Germany, France, Spain, etc. Start flinging an eye watering (in comparison) percentage of their GDP at the military spending wall. Then you know its damaged because the top backsides in seats perceive an existential threat. That's not happening so I suspect it's not damaged.
Traitor to the cause? You mean like the US being the first traitor to the British Empire cause? Clearly the US is a pariah... not really,
See its BS like your asking that sadly makes Piers Morgan look like a reasonable human being.
This is not a commercial block, this is the origin of an empire.
An army? It is in process. The march of UK will accelerate the process of European integration
The European imperial creation is similar to the imperial process of the II German Empire. Started on the basis of common trade until Prussian supremacy.
In the 21st century various blocks will come out. Empires The United States and the Anglo world (let's leave the Saxons alone, they are our own), Europe, Russia, China ... each with its area of influence
This map could be the panorama towards 2040 or 2050.
The Balcans integrated in the European Union (Serbia and Montenegro are already negotiating and Albania and Northern Macedonia are official candidates)
Ukraine in the EU still losing Crimea and the rebel Donesk
and a Belarus as a satellite state of Moscow
Scotland separated from England and united to the EU?
Reunited Ireland?
England with its worst nightmare. A great continental empire to its south, west, east and north.
This is not a commercial block, this is the origin of an empire.
An army? It is in process. The march of UK will accelerate the process of European integration
The European imperial creation is similar to the imperial process of the II German Empire. Started on the basis of common trade until Prussian supremacy.
In the 21st century various blocks will come out. Empires The United States and the Anglo world (let's leave the Saxons alone, they are our own), Europe, Russia, China ... each with its area of influence
This map could be the panorama towards 2040 or 2050.
The Balcans integrated in the European Union (Serbia and Montenegro are already negotiating and Albania and Northern Macedonia are official candidates)
Ukraine in the EU still losing Crimea and the rebel Donesk
and a Belarus as a satellite state of Moscow
Scotland separated from England and united to the EU?
Reunited Ireland?
England with its worst nightmare. A great continental empire to its south, west, east and north.
You're speculating what's going to happen by 2050 ?
While you're at it can you let me know next week's Euromillions lottery numbers.
Europe is less united now than it has been since the start of the EU. The idea that it's going to form some sort of empire in the next decade or two is away with the birds.
They'll struggle to find the money for next year's budget after the UK's departure.
That noise you can hear is the gravy train losing one of its bogeys.
Europe is less united now than it has been since the start of the EU.
The EU is more united now than it was before the EU referendum, and support for the EU is up to 12-14% higher than it was in 2016.
The Czech Republic is the most pro-leave EU member, yet still has a 66% supermajority in favour of remain. Italy has an EU approval rate of 72%, compared with 58% before the Brexit vote.
The EU is more united now than it was before the EU referendum, and support for the EU is up to 12-14% higher than it was in 2016.
The Czech Republic is the most pro-leave EU member, yet still has a 66% supermajority in favour of remain. Italy has an EU approval rate of 72%, compared with 58% before the Brexit vote.
It's one poll after the mother of all mess ups with Brexit.
Depending on how the UK fares outside the EU will change that barometer again, as will any more stupid dictats uttered by a German Chancellor that are then enshrined as EU doctrine.
Two to watch are Poland and Hungary, both are running up to having some issue with the EU.
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