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My concern now is that will survival even be worth it for people like me. If we had an opportunity to rebuild "society" from the bottom up without any more authoritarian types having a say this time, that would provide me motivation. Still, I'm very concerned about most people and families dying and after the collapse our relationships, society, etc. would still be unrecognizable.
I think the younger Baby Boomers and Generation X were the last to grow up and live in relatively "normal" and prosperous economic and social conditions, while we younger people under 40 will have to suffer. I longed for a time in my lifetime where it's like that.
I still like earning money, I just wish the money wasn't worthless.
My concern now is that will survival even be worth it for people like me. If we had an opportunity to rebuild "society" from the bottom up without any more authoritarian types having a say this time, that would provide me motivation. Still, I'm very concerned about most people and families dying and after the collapse our relationships, society, etc. would still be unrecognizable.
I think the younger Baby Boomers and Generation X were the last to grow up and live in relatively "normal" and prosperous economic and social conditions, while we younger people under 40 will have to suffer. I longed for a time in my lifetime where it's like that.
I still like earning money, I just wish the money wasn't worthless.
I am pretty much black pilled, as you are. I just choose to ignore that aspect and put my faith in God.
Action is the antidote for anxiety.
I live, economically, by some pretty simple rules.
I wrote them years ago, so they are easy to quote.
I prep by some similar rules, but can't verbalize them right now.
Here are the economics rules, I will have to think about the others.
1. Work industriously.
This can mean working to get ahead in your job, or
working towards getting a better job.
2. Live frugally.
You can never really know how frugal you need to be,
unless you realise hot water, central heat, and AC are
luxuries (at least in 80% of the coutry)
3. Give generously.
It is always up to you to decide how generously.
God loves a cheerful giver.
(Should be kept in balance with number 4)
4. Save methodically.
This could mean anything from squirrelling something
away for a rainy day, to rolling over your 401k and
keeping your real estate holdings profitable.
All depends on your station in life.
(Should be in balance with number 3 however.) 5. Most importantly, leave the results to God.
Life is an endeavor where you can do everything
right and still wind up broke.
But faith teaches that our true rewards are in the afterlife.
I am pretty much black pilled, as you are. I just choose to ignore that aspect and put my faith in God.
Action is the antidote for anxiety.
I live, economically, by some pretty simple rules.
I wrote them years ago, so they are easy to quote.
I prep by some similar rules, but can't verbalize them right now.
Here are the economics rules, I will have to think about the others.
1. Work industriously.
This can mean working to get ahead in your job, or
working towards getting a better job.
2. Live frugally.
You can never really know how frugal you need to be,
unless you realise hot water, central heat, and AC are
luxuries (at least in 80% of the coutry)
3. Give generously.
It is always up to you to decide how generously.
God loves a cheerful giver.
(Should be kept in balance with number 4)
4. Save methodically.
This could mean anything from squirrelling something
away for a rainy day, to rolling over your 401k and
keeping your real estate holdings profitable.
All depends on your station in life.
(Should be in balance with number 3 however.) 5. Most importantly, leave the results to God.
Life is an endeavor where you can do everything
right and still wind up broke.
But faith teaches that our true rewards are in the afterlife.
The afterlife part is something I struggle with. Don't want to get too off-topic but we can't really understand what the "true rewards" concept consists of.
The afterlife part is something I struggle with. Don't want to get too off-topic but we can't really understand what the "true rewards" concept consists of.
It is something I struggle with, as well.
But, even so: Action is still the antidote for anxiety.
My concern now is that will survival even be worth it for people like me. If we had an opportunity to rebuild "society" from the bottom up without any more authoritarian types having a say this time, that would provide me motivation. Still, I'm very concerned about most people and families dying and after the collapse our relationships, society, etc. would still be unrecognizable.
I think the younger Baby Boomers and Generation X were the last to grow up and live in relatively "normal" and prosperous economic and social conditions, while we younger people under 40 will have to suffer. I longed for a time in my lifetime where it's like that.
I still like earning money, I just wish the money wasn't worthless.
after the apocalypse rebuilding society will not happen for many decades, maybe even a century.
most of us here will be long gone before that happens.
most people under 40 havent got a clue how to survive, they rely on all the man made systems and their smart phones, once it all goes down they will be stuffed.
after the apocalypse rebuilding society will not happen for many decades, maybe even a century.
most of us here will be long gone before that happens.
most people under 40 havent got a clue how to survive, they rely on all the man made systems and their smart phones, once it all goes down they will be stuffed.
A century sounds quite optimistic. After Rome fell the period after we refer to as "The Dark Ages" lasted about 900 years. People at the time had survival skills most modern folks can't even comprehend.
If there is some sort of apocalypse, it's not like humanity is going to be bombed (or whatever) back to 1970. More like 0070. At least people wading through the dark ages didn't have to contend with an environment that was poisoned from hundreds of years of industrial activity, factory farming, etc.
This quote is attributed to Albert Einstein: “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.â€
The apocalypse doesn't have to be caused by war, the sticks and stones things is still likely true.
Last edited by terracore; 07-02-2023 at 05:08 PM..
Reason: add the einstein quote
Not to rain on your parade but in the big picture the world is in the best shape its ever been:
In 1950 the percentage of people living in extreme poverty has declined from 58.9 % to 8.9%
In 1950 the global average life expectancy was 45.51 years. Current estimates are 73.16 years
People used to fear overpopulation and resulting starvation or wars. Now the world produces plenty of food and there are very few wars going on.
but of course the focus of this sub-forum is a glass is half full, defensive mind-set so I imagine this post will be ignored or deleted
I just don't completely buy it.
We are probably better off in technology and advance in medicine, but that's pretty much it. We are the same or actually worse than it was no more than 20 or 30 years ago. There is our decline in real living standards and quality, for starters.
Quality of life is somewhat subjective and is more than a few statistics.
I'm beginning to envy those who were around in the 80s who were in fear of nuclear annihilation but then got to see that it didn't come to pass.
I'm afraid that is the problem. My generation, born in the 1950's, practiced nuclear attack duck and cover exercises. As a result, we are the worse generation for prepping ever. In fact, I think some of the Woodstock generation nonsense was a reaction to the 1950's/early 60's (unfounded/unrealized) fear of nuclear war. Not all, but this is was a part of it the insanity.
A Happy Fourth of July to All.
When my daughter attended fifth grade, she was required to memorize the opening of the Declaration of Independence.
Quote:
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
It's been nearly fifteen years since she was in fifth grade. Fast forward to 2023, fifth grade students are taught that the US is an evil country full of white supremacy with a debt to Blacks for reparations.
It's amazing how fast our country has turned on itself!
It is the same speed of the Russia 1917 Revolution. The start of the Revolution was not the Bolsheviks overthrowing the government. It was the generation before who spread the ideology of Marxism learned at the universities. The Russian 1917 Revolution was actually the end result.
The US's next dramatic changes will come ever faster!
People used to fear overpopulation and resulting starvation or wars. Now the world produces plenty of food and there are very few wars going on.
but of course the focus of this sub-forum is a glass is half full, defensive mind-set so I imagine this post will be ignored or deleted
Why would you expect more from low information voters?
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Originally Posted by roadrat
While things might be better that they were prior to the 1950's, I believe we have peaked and are now on a steady decline, Like a Bell curve.
Beliefs aren't facts.
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Originally Posted by bigpaul
Western civilisations have been on a steady decline for some time now. its just that most people cant see it.
Yes, they were doomed from the start due to their rampant racism fueled by hooky religions.
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Originally Posted by AtkinsonDan
I definitely believe in the concept of a slow apocalypse.
But, of course! It's only natural that people who repeatedly failed with failed predictions of apocalypse would conjure up something to make them look smarter than they really are.
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Originally Posted by AtkinsonDan
. Honestly I am not sure if the smaller and independent, self sufficient communities can withstand the pressure from the eventual collapse of the larger cultures that surround them.
Absolutely they can. More than a dozen States have GDPs larger than 160+ countries. They could go their own way and without being hampered or impeded by the US government they would an even higher Standard of Living and more wealth.
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