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What is it that you miss? The elevated highway, or vacant land with weeds growing on it?
Nobody is talking ablout building a strip club. What's going in there now, absolutely is progress.
I must have missed where anyone said they'd miss those things. Or mentioned strip clubs at all? I've yet to hear anyone argue that the old 195 land shouldn't be redeveloped. I have heard people take issue with some of the proposed developments or land uses. Lots of people were justifiably displeased with the Fane tower proposal. Lots of people aren't thrilled with rather sterile and generic architecture in many of the new constructions/proposals that look like they could be at home in any city. There was plenty of conversation on this forum about a proposal to relocate the transit hub from Kennedy Plaza to Parcel 35.
I'm thrilled to see new life being breathed into that part of the city. But let's not pretend there aren't perfectly valid reasons to be less than enthusiastic about all of the changes.
There is always the matter of getting the numbers to work and securing funding for a project like this. And anything tall will bring people out of the woodwork to fight it. But unlike the Fane proposal, this seems to be more realistic. The developer has ties to The Procaccianti Group (The "TPG" in the tower name seems to be The Procaccianti Group) which has successfully completed numerous large projects in the city. And while it's tall, it's still shorter than the Superman Building and is in-line with other tall buildings in the area. It's replacing a parking deck (though still adding 248 parking spots), and its neighbors are I-95 ramps, the Hilton, the AMP, and a surface parking lot. So I'd be surprised if this generated opposition that was similarly as fierce as the Fane proposal.
Personally, I'm not blown away by the initial design (though it will inevitably change throughout the process), but I think 216 additional residential units downtown would be a win for the city. The location is ideal for this scale of development.
I mostly want to know if the Procaccianti Group or its partners would get preferential tax treatment for this development. If they are going to get tax incentives, then I say no to this project. If the city is not giving them a tax incentive to build this, then they have my blessings.
Wait til the I195 land gets fully developed. It won't look like the city you knew at all.
But that's considered "progress" and anyone who demurs is a NIMBY.
I'm torn because 1) Providence does need some relief in spiraling housing costs and building more should relieve the strain. Only it never seems to. 2). I love Providence as a small city. I think some growth is fine too, but some people want it to be like the big cities they left. I'm not sure why they move to a small city if they prefer big cities.
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I'm torn because 1) Providence does need some relief in spiraling housing costs and building more should relieve the strain. Only it never seems to. 2). I love Providence as a small city. I think some growth is fine too, but some people want it to be like the big cities they left. I'm not sure why they move to a small city if they prefer big cities.
I think this sort of captures the problem. Housing prices get high, developments like this promise to alleviate that issue, but all signs point to housing prices continuing to move upward. More supply should drive down prices. But throw government money at it and the behavior is not as you would simply expect.
They made these promises in Portland Oregon. All the building that happened there did nothing to solve affordability there. It is worse than ever.
As far as I am concerned, Providence is right sized for our current business environment. Make our city a better place to do business, attract more employers/jobs, and then add housing as appropriate.
I mostly want to know if the Procaccianti Group or its partners would get preferential tax treatment for this development. If they are going to get tax incentives, then I say no to this project. If the city is not giving them a tax incentive to build this, then they have my blessings.
Of course there will be a tax break. It's necessary and it's good business.
I'm torn because 1) Providence does need some relief in spiraling housing costs and building more should relieve the strain. Only it never seems to. 2). I love Providence as a small city. I think some growth is fine too, but some people want it to be like the big cities they left. I'm not sure why they move to a small city if they prefer big cities.
The city's goal is not to provide relief. The city wouldn't allow that to happen.
The city's goal is not to provide relief. The city wouldn't allow that to happen.
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They prefer breaking up homeless camps?
But who said anything about what the city prefers - this is a private project, no? We're talking about free market forces at play.
Projects like this need approval from the city.
The city would love it if real estate and rentals continued to go up. It's a sign of a successful city. All of the most desirable cities in the world are the most expensive cities to live in.
The idea of providing relief (prices dropping) is essentially a sign of failure. It means supply is greater than demand.
The city couldn't care less about the 70 people at the homeless camps they broke up today.
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