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The tree under which Buddha is said to have attained enlightenment, is Bodhi, the one that gave wisdom, elightenment. Knowledge is sacred, and thus the particular fig tree became sacred. The sacredness of trees is in what is unmanifest, the subject, not the object.
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OP is not a Buddhist, practices Advaita Vedanta, philosophy of non-dualism.
Why are you referring to yourself in the third person? That said, you’re speaking to doctrine - not philosophy.
Brhman/Existence/God, without itself undergoing any change, appears as the world. Non-dualism philosophy, Advaita-Vedanta, holds this paradox as the truth.
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Why is Vedanta a doctrine and not philosophy? Or do you mean something else?
Advaita Vedanta is a school within Hinduism, and Hinduism is a religion; perhaps you should post there for those who may be interested.
Brhman/Existence/God, without itself undergoing any change, appears as the world. Non-dualism philosophy, Advaita-Vedanta, holds this paradox as the truth.
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OP is not a Buddhist, practices Advaita Vedanta, philosophy of non-dualism.
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Why? I dont know what school within Hinduism means. Vedanta is inquiry into the self and being. That is Philosophy.
Again, Advaita Vedanta is a school of thought (shared by folks within Hinduism) which focuses on the identity shared between the individual and ultimate reality. Relative to such, nondualism includes spiritual traditions/discipline/beliefs; that’s doctrine, not inquiry into the self (or study of). Hence, you’re speaking to (your) religion as opposed to philosophy.
In other words, AV is the following of certain teachings whereas philosophy is an examination of rational explications relative to various beliefs, as a whole.
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Again, Advaita Vedanta is a school of thought (shared by folks within Hinduism) which focuses on the identity shared between the individual and ultimate reality. Relative to such, nondualism includes spiritual traditions/discipline/beliefs; that’s doctrine, not inquiry into the self (or study of). Hence, you’re speaking to (your) religion as opposed to philosophy.
In other words, AV is the following of certain teachings whereas philosophy is an examination of rational explications relative to various beliefs, as a whole.
If i were to explain Vedanta and what Advaita means to you, it will be way off topic, even if within Philosophy. Also I dont feel like doing it even if it is the topic.
Knowing your posts, and thereby how you think, you will actually like and benefit deeply from a proper study of Advaita.That means study of the actual texts of Advaita and commentaries, and even learning Sanskrit. One day you might, you never know.
Brhman/Existence/God, without itself undergoing any change, appears as the world. Non-dualism philosophy, Advaita-Vedanta, holds this paradox as the truth.
This thread’s focus is not to discuss the philosophy or its validity, but the paradox that it holds as true.
A tree is an object having the quality of “treeness.” So tree is a locus for the quality “treeness”. Now is that object, that locus itself, tree or non-tree?
It cannot be tree because if the locus is tree it implies the presence of treeness since locus ‘tree’ cannot be without already having treeness. We have to say it is non-tree, which means a non-tree has a quality of treeness which is a paradox. Unless you have superimposed treeness upon the non-tree, this is not possible. This type of paradox exists in everything that we see as the world.
Does the paradox hold true or does it fall apart?
How many angels can dance on the point of your pin?
Trees are trees. There are grey areas where a large woody plant could be called a "shrub" or a "tree".
But all this stuff is like playing with your food. You know damn well a 100 foot white oak is a tree.
It's like that bit "if you say a dog is a quadruped, then what about a three legged dog?" and so on, basically the kind of thing that seems real profound when you're a freshman in college and five of you are sitting round getting high and discussing stuff that seems REAL PROFOUND at the moment. And yet.. and yet... everyone here is instantly able to distinguish a dog from a bird.
How many angels can dance on the point of your pin?
Trees are trees. There are grey areas where a large woody plant could be called a "shrub" or a "tree".
But all this stuff is like playing with your food. You know damn well a 100 foot white oak is a tree.
It's like that bit "if you say a dog is a quadruped, then what about a three legged dog?" and so on, basically the kind of thing that seems real profound when you're a freshman in college and five of you are sitting round getting high and discussing stuff that seems REAL PROFOUND at the moment. And yet.. and yet... everyone here is instantly able to distinguish a dog from a bird.
Exactly, and what I said. It's just that unquenched desire to show others, how smart you are, that leads to such discussions.
Funny part - tree doesn't care, if you consider it a tree, or a loca. Neither does Nature. Or Universe. Or Consciousness. You are like a firefly in the great schema of things, appear, lighten up, and disappear. And the Reality carries on. Oblivious of what you think about it.
Paradox is simply just another thought. Anyone who uses their mind to study mind gets exactly what they deserve. In a state of non mind through intense meditation or mindfulness, we learn that we need to encourage letting go and live in the present moment.
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