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Old 03-30-2024, 01:51 AM
 
Location: San Antonio / Austin, Texas
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Does anyone consider Pennsylvania to be a "Border State"?

I mean, it does share a water border with Ontario.
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Old 03-30-2024, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Does anyone consider Pennsylvania to be a "Border State"?

I mean, it does share a water border with Ontario.
As in "international border"? No, pace Erie.

There's no road or ferry crossing of Lake Erie at Erie, so the state may as well be an interior state.

It's not a "border state" in the other sense in which that phrase is used, either, even though the Mason-Dixon Line is the Pennsylvania-Maryland border. Unlike the four "border states," Pennsylvania neither had slavery nor had Confederate sympathizers in numbers sufficient enough to consider splitting from the Union.
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Old 03-30-2024, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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On the other hand, ferry service from Erie to ON may commence as early as 2006. So by then it may be considered a border state. Who knows, the Erie ferry may carry paying passengers sooner than the Amtrak line to Scranton.

https://highways.dot.gov/newsroom/us...-ferry-service

But seriously, there was a ferry service from Eire to Port Dover, ON almost 100 years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overla...ver_Ferry_Line

But there are all technicalities. To answer whether anyone "considers" Pennsylvania a Border State in the usual sense, the answer is generally going to be No. Anyway, modern highways will probably ensure that no new ferry service operates between Erie and Canada.
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Old 03-31-2024, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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On the other hand, ferry service from Erie to ON may commence as early as 2006. So by then it may be considered a border state. Who knows, the Erie ferry may carry paying passengers sooner than the Amtrak line to Scranton.

https://highways.dot.gov/newsroom/us...-ferry-service

But seriously, there was a ferry service from Eire to Port Dover, ON almost 100 years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overla...ver_Ferry_Line

But there are all technicalities. To answer whether anyone "considers" Pennsylvania a Border State in the usual sense, the answer is generally going to be No. Anyway, modern highways will probably ensure that no new ferry service operates between Erie and Canada.
Looks like they did a good job of killing off that Erie-to-Ontario ferry proposal; that grant was announced 20 years ago and there's still no Lake Erie ferry from Pennsylvania.
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Old 03-31-2024, 08:38 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Pennsylvania isn't a border state in any way. Everyone knows it's either the heart of the Midwest or Deep South.
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Old 03-31-2024, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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meh, erie IS an international port of call for ships from OTHER than CAN (think about it for a while) and PAs water border...


however the mayor in pittsburgh DID say it is a sanctuary city (did phill? hbg?) and this and the previous gov DID say - because of that - that they WANTED immigrants to CONSIDER us a border state <---their words not mine, so..............


why do you ask?
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Old 03-31-2024, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Looks like they did a good job of killing off that Erie-to-Ontario ferry proposal; that grant was announced 20 years ago and there's still no Lake Erie ferry from Pennsylvania.
Well, there's a simple solution to that:
1. Get a Governor elected from Erie County, perhaps a war hero with a disability.
2. Have that Governor be wildly popular and re-elected in a landslide.
3. Get them appointed to a Federal cabinet position while still Governor and still wildly popular.

The rest is child's play, as they either call in a favor, or favors are given on spec, for an international ferry terminal in their home county. But that politician would have to stay on in Federal government until the thing actually gets built.
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Old 04-01-2024, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Well, there's a simple solution to that:
1. Get a Governor elected from Erie County, perhaps a war hero with a disability.
2. Have that Governor be wildly popular and re-elected in a landslide.
3. Get them appointed to a Federal cabinet position while still Governor and still wildly popular.

The rest is child's play, as they either call in a favor, or favors are given on spec, for an international ferry terminal in their home county. But that politician would have to stay on in Federal government until the thing actually gets built.
Wasn't Tom Ridge from Erie? Save for the war hero part, he checked off all three of those boxes.

Well, almost: after getting named Secretary of Homeland Security, he sort of faded into obscurity.
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Old 04-01-2024, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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Wasn't Tom Ridge from Erie? Save for the war hero part, he checked off all three of those boxes.

Well, almost: after getting named Secretary of Homeland Security, he sort of faded into obscurity.

beat me to it. and that damn appointment ended up costing me virtually...
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Old 04-01-2024, 08:38 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Wasn't Tom Ridge from Erie? Save for the war hero part, he checked off all three of those boxes.

Well, almost: after getting named Secretary of Homeland Security, he sort of faded into obscurity.
Ridge was awarded the Bronze Star with V device during his Viet Nam tour. Yeah, I looked.
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