Gun Crime down in 6 of 8 of Ohio's largest cities after passage of Constitutional Carry (Columbus: neighborhoods, estimate)

[TaxPhd]

Originally Posted by cheech14

Anecdotes aren't evidence. There are plenty of people who can't offer anecdotes at all because they were killed in shootouts that escalated from the presence of guns.

A single anecdote? No. But anecdotes serve as observable, empirical data points, which in the case of the deterrent effect of guns is most of what we’ve got. Why? Because it isn’t something that can be meaningfully studied by experiment.

[TaxPhd]

Originally Posted by sheena12

Plus 1.

I wonder who performed THIS "study"?

Personally, when I see anyone with a gun, I automatically feel nervous, not safe.

Fortunately, I have never seen one - in Ohio.

Does being in close proximity to you tend to send armed citizens off into spontaneous, murderous, rampages?

[KathrynAragon]

Originally Posted by highlanderfil

Cool story. What are we meant to take away from it?

Just as I said, that I am alive and well because I had a gun with me, and I didn't even have to use it or threaten anyone with using it. All I had to do was hold it up, not even pointed at them.

[KathrynAragon]

Originally Posted by highlanderfil

Oh, please do regale us with those stories. I'm sure we'll all wait with baited breath.

Bated breath. Common mistake. Maybe English isn't your first language, and if so, I present to you a pass.

[leadfoot4]

Originally Posted by SickofJersey

I'm not one to research this subject, I just have one opinion...

Whether it deters crime or not, I will always believe that law abiding citizens deserve the right to defend themselves if their or their families life is threatened.

Until criminals don't have guns I will continue to carry mine.

Bingo!!!

[cheech14]

Originally Posted by TaxPhd

A single anecdote? No. But anecdotes serve as observable, empirical data points, which in the case of the deterrent effect of guns is most of what we’ve got. Why? Because it isn’t something that can be meaningfully studied by experiment.

There are a lot of anecdotes of people saying they've been abducted by aliens. Simply relating a perceived or believed experience is not in itself hard data.

But we can study the effects of gun laws. Here's one such recent study: https://journals.lww.com/epidem/abst...ate_gun.3.aspx

Results:
We find strong, consistent evidence supporting the hypothesis that restrictive state gun policies reduce overall gun deaths, homicides committed with a gun, and suicides committed with a gun. Each additional restrictive gun regulation a given state passed from 1991 to 2016 was associated with −0.21 (95% confidence interval = −0.33, −0.08) gun deaths per 100,000 residents. Further, we find that specific policies, such as background checks and waiting periods for gun purchases, were associated with lower overall gun death rates, gun homicide rates, and gun suicide rates.

Conclusion:
State regulations passed from 1991 to 2016 were associated with substantial reductions in gun mortality. We estimate that restrictive state gun policies passed in 40 states from 1991 to 2016 averted 4297 gun deaths in 2016 alone, or roughly 11% of the total gun deaths that year.

[cheech14]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

As are so called common sense gun laws.

If you want to study, check out how almost every tyranaical government in the last 100 years or so confiscated guns before genociding the population. But guns arent a deterrant.

You're making another false correlation here, suggesting that all gun laws are implemented by tyrannical or genocidal governments. Yet the vast majority of governments in the world have gun control, very few of them that could actually be described in those terms.

Also, I would say that if the US was ever to have a tyrannical or genocidal government, it would be the very people who want to remove all restrictions right now- Republicans. They're certainly going the anti-democratic route these days.

[cheech14]

Originally Posted by KathrynAragon

Whatever you say, dear. Meanwhile, I am alive and well, thankfully, and my dad lived well for many, many years afterward, and died of an autoimmune disorder, nothing to do with guns.

I'm also alive and well and have never owned a gun. Can you explain that? Does my anecdote therefore cancel yours out?

[cheech14]

Originally Posted by SickofJersey

I'm not one to research this subject, I just have one opinion...

Whether it deters crime or not, I will always believe that law abiding citizens deserve the right to defend themselves if their or their families life is threatened.

Until criminals don't have guns I will continue to carry mine.

This creates a feedback loop, though. Significant numbers of guns on the street were originally purchased legally. Your perceived need to own a gun due to safety concerns from other guns stems directly from the fact that there is so much gun proliferation in the first place.

[highlanderfil]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

Your lack of knowledge of me is only surpassed by the topic at hand.

Oh, I have no knowledge of you personally (apart from what you're willingly and capably demonstrating, which is that you appear to be unable to actually depart a conversation you were claiming to be departing) and what's more, I have zero interest in changing that.