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Old 11-18-2023, 04:30 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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This morning, I lead "Torah Study." There were about twenty adults, ranging from about 55 to people in their 80's, in attendance. I was the lay "leader" of the day. The Cantor was there to assist but had to leave about ten minutes early. When he did, all hell broke loose.

About 30 seconds after the Cantor left Torah Study, decorum totally collapsed. About six cell phones whipped out, and all kinds of side conversations broke out. I can understand people occasionally check their phones. Certainly I am guilty of this sometimes. But today was absolutely excessive. Therefore, as a result, I terminated Torah study about two minutes after the Cantor left, or about eight minutes early.

Now, the organizer of Torah Study is constantly appealing for lay leaders. They used to be abundant but certain of them don't come as often, certain ones have resigned. This morning's mayhem makes it difficult for me to imagine leading again any time soon. Is it any wonder there are few volunteers?

I was a Sunday school student from 1967-70, ages 10-13. My classroom was not ten yards away from the site of this morning's "festivities." As a 13 year old, I walked out May 4, 1970, the first class session (a Monday since it was Hebrew school) after my Bar Mitzvah. Reason; spitballing in class. Same garbage, different age, different day.
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Old 11-18-2023, 04:57 PM
 
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Wrong congregation. I am 78 years old, fairly social, and have NONE of the problems I read about on the internet. I associate with like-minded individuals and seldom encounter the others, even though I am pretty sure that they exist. Although I certainly don't look for trouble, I am moderately outspoken. Perhaps that has an effect.

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Old 11-18-2023, 06:35 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Wrong congregation.
Are you saying problem is i am in wrong congregation?
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Old 11-18-2023, 07:12 PM
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Call them out, they're all adults and if they don't want to participate in that days class then end it early as you did. When they ask for volunteers bring this up if people don't want to behave then maybe its time to end the program.

Teen antics are expected from teens, not middle age adults who have chosen to attend a class instead of being made to attend.
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Old 11-18-2023, 08:32 PM
 
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Are you saying problem is i am in wrong congregation?
Yes.
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Old 11-18-2023, 09:01 PM
 
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Yes.
The easy thing is to stop volunteering and let some people wonder why no one wants to lead them.
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Old 11-18-2023, 09:09 PM
 
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The easy thing is to stop volunteering and let some people wonder why no one wants to lead them.
Yes, that is also a very reasonable answer, as is VA Yankee's.
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