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Just think of all the variables that go into measuring more or less racist as we see it in the news or in culture. There would be differences by county and state. There might be perceptions based on anecdotal stories or on some kind of measures.
Expectations of the Black population
Level of activism and solidarity
Integrity of Black institutions/churches
Past history of KKK, violence or lynching
Level of White control of the economy and institutions
Public awareness
Amount and bias/quality of news coverage
Current level of violence
Integrity and reliability of law enforcement
Elected officials and court responses
---among others
Detroit and Cleveland are easily some of if not the two most segregated metro areas in America. White Flight was very very real in those two cities.
Detroit demographic maps look like there is a white shell around the non-white city.
Cleveland is essentially whites on the west side and blacks on the east side. Even the suburbs in eastern and southeastern Cuyahoga county are predominantly black while the western suburbs are almost all 90% or more white residents.
Chicago for me. I attended the wedding for one of my wife's zillion cousins. So we were in a nice upscale suburb outside of Chicago and I heard the n-word more times in a weekend than I've heard in the past thirty years in Alabama. It was actually jarring. Every time I heard it, I felt as if I'd been slapped upside the head.
oh yea in the mid 80's alabama had nothing on detriot. That was the most racist city i ever been to, and it wasnt white black, it was jewish, itlians, muslim, every body. they had their own towns like china town
I believe when Dr. King tried to move his part of the Civil Rights Movement up north, he was brutally attacked & harried out of the so-called liberal north.
I have read Frederick Douglas accounts of how northern euros would riot because they thought they would just lose their lives & livelihood fighting for coloured slaves, who if freed, would take their jobs away.
Even with the Underground Rail Road going to canuck land, I'm not sure if there was voluntary movement to sierra leone colony of whether it was deportation because the nordic north atlantic plantation powers wanted to maintain a euro settler character for the colony.
Let's not delude ourselves into thinking Georgia's racism is in the past. According to studies, and a new book about voter suppression in the US threatening our democratic processes, Georgia's Republicans have maintained a stranglehold on on the balloting process since 2005, in order to maintain control of elected positions throughout the state and in Congress. The details of their m.o. in preventing new Dem voter registrants from voting, or from having their votes counted, are spelled out, in "One Person, No Vote: How Voter Suppression is Destroying Our Democracy". Georgia is a model of voter suppression.
If Georgia is a "model of voter suppression," how does one explain that blacks voted in all-time historic numbers to elect Biden/Harris and two Democrat Senators during the last elections? Stacy Abrams is even trying to convince blacks that they have no voting rights in Georgia, and that Georgia is a TERRIBLE place to live, yet she's running for Governor of Georgia! Say what??
Atlanta is still a new city, all things considered. Georgia was part of the colonies. Mississippi and Alabama...were not. Andrew Jackson, land seizure...yada yada.
I did a quick look at lynching numbers and mass killings of the blacks at the time after a map showed up on reddit, and it was a bit shocking, but Alabama was the one noticeably lower than its peers. Mississippi and Louisiana are the ones that look the most horrifying.
In terms of lynching totals (black/total), it was Mississippi (520/581), Georgia (492/531), Texas (352/493), Louisiana (335/391), Alabama (299/347), Arkansas (226/284), Florida (257/282), Tennessee (204/251), Kentucky (142/205) and South Carolina (156/160) as the top ten. The article mentioned that the numbers didn't look to include mass killings. Note that Texas had a higher population at the time, Georgia and Alabama had about half that (I think Tennessee might've a been slightly more populated), and the rest of the ten were notably less populated.
A quick glance of massacres show some pretty massive ones for Arkansas (Elaine), Florida (Ocoee, Rosewood might be undercounted), Louisiana (Colfax, Coushatta, Thibodaux, Opelousas), North Carolina (Wilmington), Oklahoma (Tulsa), and South Carolina (Ellenton). Tennessee and Virginia also had massacres of captured black soldiers from the civil war, but that was out of range for what I had been looking at. Georgia and Mississippi didn't have any listed matching the timeframe. Alabama had a massacre in 1874 at Eufaula, with high casualties, a low number of deaths, and didn't burn down a town. I also noticed the 1906 Atlanta race riot wasn't on the list, so there's probably a lot more missing.
In terms of getting killed while being black, Florida, Mississippi and Louisiana were probably the worst places to be. Edit: "Best" look to be NC > SC... gap... TN > AL... gap.. > the rest.
Granted, this only looking at being murdered in a show-y way. There's plenty of other aspects to what was going on beyond that.
I did a quick look at lynching numbers and mass killings of the blacks at the time after a map showed up on reddit, and it was a bit shocking, but Alabama was the one noticeably lower than its peers. Mississippi and Louisiana are the ones that look the most horrifying.
In terms of lynching totals (black/total), it was Mississippi (520/581), Georgia (492/531), Texas (352/493), Louisiana (335/391), Alabama (299/347), Arkansas (226/284), Florida (257/282), Tennessee (204/251), Kentucky (142/205) and South Carolina (156/160) as the top ten. The article mentioned that the numbers didn't look to include mass killings. Note that Texas had a higher population at the time, Georgia and Alabama had about half that (I think Tennessee might've a been slightly more populated), and the rest of the ten were notably less populated.
A quick glance of massacres show some pretty massive ones for Arkansas (Elaine), Florida (Ocoee, Rosewood might be undercounted), Louisiana (Colfax, Coushatta, Thibodaux, Opelousas), North Carolina (Wilmington), Oklahoma (Tulsa), and South Carolina (Ellenton). Tennessee and Virginia also had massacres of captured black soldiers from the civil war, but that was out of range for what I had been looking at. Georgia and Mississippi didn't have any listed matching the timeframe. Alabama had a massacre in 1874 at Eufaula, with high casualties, a low number of deaths, and didn't burn down a town. I also noticed the 1906 Atlanta race riot wasn't on the list, so there's probably a lot more missing.
In terms of getting killed while being black, Florida, Mississippi and Louisiana were probably the worst places to be. Edit: "Best" look to be NC > SC... gap... TN > AL... gap.. > the rest.
Granted, this only looking at being murdered in a show-y way. There's plenty of other aspects to what was going on beyond that.
In Mississippi, there were 462 black people lynched from 1882-1930, 282 from 1900-1930, and 539 from 1882-1968. In Georgia, there were 423 black people lynched from 1882-1930, 302 from 1900-1930, and 492 from 1882-1968. After crunching those numbers, the state which had the largest number of black lynching victims from 1900-1968 was Georgia, with 371, followed by Mississippi, with 359.
Murder is just one measure. Others are more subtle. How many jurisdictions were "sundown towns" where African Americans had to leave towns by sunset.
In the various states, how many had counties where African Americans were systemically expelled. In GA, this included Forsyth, Fannin, Gilmer and Dawson.
And what of more subtle measures such as restricting USDA loans? Or banking? Or even where one could buy gas? The Negro Motorist Green Book was a resource for African American motorists.
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