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Old 05-05-2024, 06:56 AM
 
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This is also true of the .357 Magnum, which can fire the 38 Special, 38 Long and 38 Short (I forget if these are S&W or Colt versions, these obsolescent rounds are not common.)
I too, am a fan if simply sticking to 38+P, but in a medium-small sized 357 frame (like K frame).

But 327 came up, and it can be a viable alternative, especially with the 327 H & R magnum.

After looking at the spec's though, I wonder about the flash and muzzle report from that ammo.

I am already on the record for telling people to avoid 357 indoors, do to the muzzle blast.

Would be mildly interesting if someone could do a scientific measurement on it.
Would need special equipment to do it.
https://soundproofingguide.com/decib...oogle_vignette
Look at 165 decibles on the chart.
(The chart isn't 100% accurate, mathematically)
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Old 05-05-2024, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Some manufacturers sell ‘low flash’ ammo. I’ve not tried any of it so I can’t speak to its effectiveness. I can say with 100% certainty that American Eagle .357 mag at dusk, outside, with a 3” barrel will light up the area, lol.
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Old 05-07-2024, 04:53 AM
 
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Smith and Wesson has brought back the 32 HR magnum in a J fame so probably the 327 is next. Taurus has also come out with the 327 magnum in an offering.
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Old 05-07-2024, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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On a different note, I’d love to have one of these Henry lever rifles chambered in .327

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/henry-big-boy-steel/
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Old 05-10-2024, 11:40 PM
 
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The various rounds for the 357 mag include many you can no longer find. All four rounds that can be fired in the 327 federal are still available.
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Old 05-19-2024, 10:05 PM
 
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I too, am a fan if simply sticking to 38+P, but in a medium-small sized 357 frame (like K frame).

But 327 came up, and it can be a viable alternative, especially with the 327 H & R magnum.

After looking at the spec's though, I wonder about the flash and muzzle report from that ammo.

I am already on the record for telling people to avoid 357 indoors, do to the muzzle blast.

Would be mildly interesting if someone could do a scientific measurement on it.
Would need special equipment to do it.
https://soundproofingguide.com/decib...oogle_vignette
Look at 165 decibles on the chart.
(The chart isn't 100% accurate, mathematically)

The flash is easily avoided by using a fast burning powder that is complete burned BEFORE the bullet leaves the barrel. Use a slow burning powder and some of it is still burning and you get a flash. That is just a waste of powder and energy. At night that flash can destroy your night vision on the first shot, there is no real advantage in having it.
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Old 05-20-2024, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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The flash is easily avoided by using a fast burning powder that is complete burned BEFORE the bullet leaves the barrel. Use a slow burning powder and some of it is still burning and you get a flash. That is just a waste of powder and energy. At night that flash can destroy your night vision on the first shot, there is no real advantage in having it.
Heh - you oughta see the flash from this thing…. almost like a flash bulb.
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Old 05-20-2024, 09:13 AM
 
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The flash is easily avoided by using a fast burning powder that is complete burned BEFORE the bullet leaves the barrel. Use a slow burning powder and some of it is still burning and you get a flash. That is just a waste of powder and energy. At night that flash can destroy your night vision on the first shot, there is no real advantage in having it.
Have you got suggestions for loads in .327 and .357 that’ll accomplish what you’re diescribing?
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Old 05-20-2024, 05:19 PM
 
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The flash is easily avoided by using a fast burning powder that is complete burned BEFORE the bullet leaves the barrel. Use a slow burning powder and some of it is still burning and you get a flash. That is just a waste of powder and energy. At night that flash can destroy your night vision on the first shot, there is no real advantage in having it.
The flash is definitely a bad side effect, but you are only half right about the powder burn time.

Certainly having powder still burning as the bullet exits is going to enhance the flash, but even if the powder burn is complete before the bullet leaves, the superheated gasses will still radiate in the visible range until they undergo adiabetic cooling (which is the process that gives you the report).

If the barrel is long enough, adiabetic cooling can occur in the barrel, which is what happens when you fire a pistol round from a carbine. A 9mm carbine drives the bullet with the energy of a 357, with no flash and very little report, which is the goal you brought up (and all of us want).


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Have you got suggestions for loads in .327 and .357 that’ll accomplish what you’re diescribing?
It is unlikely, in magnum rounds, since they already give you about 30K lbs pressure. Faster burning powder drives that number higher. There are a few low flash 9mm and 38+P rounds that utilize fast burning powder to accomplish that goal.
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Old 05-20-2024, 05:42 PM
 
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Have you got suggestions for loads in .327 and .357 that’ll accomplish what you’re diescribing?
I've read some reloading info for .357 mag, and VV110 is supposed to be great option. It's a single base powder with great velocities in the 125gr bullet class. I've also read it's really clean and lower flash, at least according to some reloaders.


125 Hornady FP/XTP 1.575 N110 16.8 / 18.4F 1601 / 1772

No data on .327. I'll load some up in .357 mag and see how it performs in low light.
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