Income-based electricity bills coming (month-to-month, to buy, live in)

[tt003e]

I saw this https://ktla.com/news/local-news/cal...bill-proposal/ and SDGE' proposal at a fixed rate of $128/month for > 180k household income. I read AB205 and thought the fixed billing was only targeted at infrastructure costs? (Lower rates for other income brackets)

If this is approved what does this mean ? $128/month + usage charges?

How does this mix with net metering 2.0 ...seems like a bum deal if your are having to pay $128/month no matter what

[JoeSanDiegoHomes]

Yes, they are going to hose everyone that isn't near poverty level wages. If you have solar and a battery, you can expect to spend more than $1,000 a year without using a single kilowatt.

[Axxlrod]

Originally Posted by tt003e

I saw this https://ktla.com/news/local-news/cal...bill-proposal/ and SDGE' proposal at a fixed rate of $128/month for > 180k household income. I read AB205 and thought the fixed billing was only targeted at infrastructure costs? (Lower rates for other income brackets)

If this is approved what does this mean ? $128/month + usage charges?

How does this mix with net metering 2.0 ...seems like a bum deal if your are having to pay $128/month no matter what

Income based utility rates.

It's an end-run around net metering for solar customers.

I truly don't see how this proposal is legal as it meets the definition of a tax.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Saw this coming years ago.

[FlySD]

I wonder how they are going to handle people who don't have fixed incomes a year such as self employed people. Or people who may have had a good paying job last year and maybe got laid off and may have no money coming in but yet they are supposed to pay based on last year's salary?

Certainly looks like a tax to me but most employment based taxes are dynamic and adjust based on what you make on your payment cycle. i don't see how they are going to adjust for people situations on a month to month basis unless they plan to have that built in somehow with the state.

[GuyInSD]

So - the utility companies will now have the right to access your tax returns?

I assume the way this will be implemented will be along the lines of "prove to us your income is in a lower bracket, otherwise be charged the maximum amount".

[NORTY FLATZ]

Originally Posted by tt003e

I saw this https://ktla.com/news/local-news/cal...bill-proposal/ and SDGE' proposal at a fixed rate of $128/month for > 180k household income. I read AB205 and thought the fixed billing was only targeted at infrastructure costs? (Lower rates for other income brackets)

If this is approved what does this mean ? $128/month + usage charges?

How does this mix with net metering 2.0 ...seems like a bum deal if your are having to pay $128/month no matter what

If customers pay a flat rate (in your example, $128.) then those that are close to the $128 threshold, have zero incentive to cut-back, or reduce usage at all.

In fact, I'd go get a couple electric cars and an electric motorcycle (or 2) and watch my meter spin feverishly.

Then I'm gonna run my washer half full and the dryer empty. Oh wait, that's water and gas...nevermind.

[wac_432]

Originally Posted by Bill the Butcher

60% reduction? The article states that the three utilities are proposing a reduction of 33% in utility rates. But it hints that customers would need to use less power to see the 33% rate reduction not more.

Yes, that's assuming that everyone continues their current usage patterns. My bill would go down by 33% as it stands. However, those numbers are disingenuous because they assume people are too dumb to realize they are going to pay only a little more for using 100kWh as for using 25kWh.

My cost per kWh is going to shift from $0.24 to $0.06, since the transmission and distribution charges will go to a flat income-based fee that is reasonably close (but slightly less) to what I currently pay based on my usage.

I'm not stupid. I see that I can blow out my usage from 25kWh to 50+ kWh at the cost of only $0.06 per kWh for additional usage. In terms of gas v EV, that means that it will only cost me $0.70 per "gallon" if I go all electric for transportation (currently $2.40 "per gallon" equivalent ). So, since the 60% of my bill that is transmission and distribution is now a flat fee, and the generation costs, which are only 30% of my bill are staying even, I'll just run a crapload of electrical loads to shift my costs based on the new fee structure.

[Trekker99]

Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ

If customers pay a flat rate (in your example, $128.) then those that are close to the $128 threshold, have zero incentive to cut-back, or reduce usage at all.

In fact, I'd go get a couple electric cars and an electric motorcycle (or 2) and watch my meter spin feverishly.

Then I'm gonna run my washer half full and the dryer empty. Oh wait, that's water and gas...nevermind.

The climate activists are coming for your gas appliances, San Diego City Council's Climate Action Plan calls for getting them....SDG&E will be renamed SDE since G is Bad.

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ

If customers pay a flat rate (in your example, $128.) then those that are close to the $128 threshold, have zero incentive to cut-back, or reduce usage at all.

In fact, I'd go get a couple electric cars and an electric motorcycle (or 2) and watch my meter spin feverishly.

Unless they also ding you for excessive usage. I'm sure it won't be this simple. It never is. They'll find a way to charge you for all that usage one way or another.