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The concept of Jesus being the only way to G-d is anathema to me. The idea that Jesus accomplished salvation for all is exactly what you posited it to be, your opinion. Others believe differently. Besides, you contradict yourself when you state that "you will receive exactly what you deserve based on what kind of Spirit you have BECOME". If that's true, what was Jesus' all-inclusive salvation for in the first place?
Salvation has nothing to do with what kind of status you will have as a saved Spirit. That will depend entirely on what kind of Spirit you have BECOME, period. Salvation is what removed Abraham and the others from whatever limbo (prison?) they were in because they had no place in Heaven with God. Jesus's "born again" human Spirit connected all "born again" human Spirits with God's Holy Spirit. It is structural and it is what it is.
Jesus created the place in Heaven for all of us (Kingdom of God) so there is no other place for us to go when we die and are "born again" as Spirit. All of us when we die are "born again" as Spirit as Jesus tried to explain to Nicodemus and failed. It makes no difference if you do not believe the precepts and doctrines that grew up around Jesus. Most of them are wrong anyway. Our place within Heaven (the quantum realm) will be based entirely on what kind of Spirit we have BECOME whatever we believe, IMO.
Salvation has nothing to do with what kind of status you will have as a saved Spirit. That will depend entirely on what kind of Spirit you have BECOME, period. Salvation is what removed Abraham and the others from whatever limbo (prison?) they were in because they had no place in Heaven with God. Jesus's "born again" human Spirit connected all "born again" human Spirits with God's Holy Spirit. It is structural and it is what it is.
Jesus created the place in Heaven for all of us (Kingdom of God) so there is no other place for us to go when we die and are "born again" as Spirit. All of us when we die are "born again" as Spirit as Jesus tried to explain to Nicodemus and failed. It makes no difference if you do not believe the precepts and doctrines that grew up around Jesus. Most of them are wrong anyway. Our place within Heaven (the quantum realm) will be based entirely on what kind of Spirit we have BECOME whatever we believe, IMO.
it is hard to find anything more off-putting than peddling the puffed up arrogance which brays "Abraham and the others had no place in Heaven with God."
the bigger they are, the harder they fall
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Salvation has nothing to do with what kind of status you will have as a saved Spirit. That will depend entirely on what kind of Spirit you have BECOME, period. Salvation is what removed Abraham and the others from whatever limbo (prison?) they were in because they had no place in Heaven with God. Jesus's "born again" human Spirit connected all "born again" human Spirits with God's Holy Spirit. It is structural and it is what it is.
Jesus created the place in Heaven for all of us (Kingdom of God) so there is no other place for us to go when we die and are "born again" as Spirit. All of us when we die are "born again" as Spirit as Jesus tried to explain to Nicodemus and failed. It makes no difference if you do not believe the precepts and doctrines that grew up around Jesus. Most of them are wrong anyway. Our place within Heaven (the quantum realm) will be based entirely on what kind of Spirit we have BECOME whatever we believe, IMO.
"It is structural and it is what it is". Well, you're welcome to your belief. The problem is when Christians attempt to force those beliefs on others. Throughout history Christians have used torture, war, laws, lies, pogroms, and other means to force those who don't accept being "born again" as Christians to do so. It does seem rather hypocritical for the religion of "The Prince of Peace".
BTW, what makes you such an expert that you know for a fact that Abraham and the early prophets had no place in heaven with G-d? That may be your belief, but it's one that's rooted strictly in Christianity and the concept of salvation with Jesus. It has no relevance otherwise and is, frankly, offensive for other religions. It's really only your own opinion.
Earn? You cannot earn salvation you cannot die for your own sins. The bible is pretty clear you cannot earn salvation buy salvation or raise yourself up from death you can do absolutely nothing for it it is 100% by the Grace of God by the sacrifice Jesus made.He has to die for every last one of your sins for you to raised up and enter heaven
Both Christianity and Judaism have the fall of mankind Judaism is incomplete not dealing with the problem.Christianity not only deals with the problem it brings it to completion.
I don't think it's true that Judaism has "the fall of mankind", although I will let the Jewish posters here clarify that. Judaism does not have the concept of original sin, so there was nothing for them to "complete". The idea of original sin came up in Christian thought when the pre-existing story of Eden became "The Fall" as a backstory to provide a reason for the need for salvation.
I don't think it's true that Judaism has "the fall of mankind", although I will let the Jewish posters here clarify that. Judaism does not have the concept of original sin, so there was nothing for them to "complete". The idea of original sin came up in Christian thought when the pre-existing story of Eden became "The Fall" as a backstory to provide a reason for the need for salvation.
Episcopal Church said the same thing almost 30 years ago when the SBC announced a campaign to convert Jews. (SBC has since apologized.)
AFAIK, that’s now a common stance among American mainline Protestant churches. I can appreciate that because it respects Judaism’s right to spiritual autonomy without trying to creepily cozy up to the Jewish people in furtherance of Christian end-times theology.
AFAIK, that’s now a common stance among American mainline Protestant churches. I can appreciate that because it respects Judaism’s right to spiritual autonomy without trying to creepily cozy up to the Jewish people in furtherance of Christian end-times theology.
Yeah, that's ugly. Also, Episcopalians tend to not view Revelation as a prophetic book about the end of the world but rather a literary device about the Roman Empire 2000 years ago, so they aren't on the Armageddon bandwagon. They also don't preach that Christianity is the only valid spiritual path for everyone.
I don't think it's true that Judaism has "the fall of mankind", although I will let the Jewish posters here clarify that. Judaism does not have the concept of original sin, so there was nothing for them to "complete". The idea of original sin came up in Christian thought when the pre-existing story of Eden became "The Fall" as a backstory to provide a reason for the need for salvation.
Everything posted here is OPINION. Clearly, like the many concepts of God, the concept of Christianity is too firmly entrenched in the popular psyche. I probably should have avoided the label and simply acknowledged that the descriptions of Jesus as HE presents Himself in the biblical narrative is the ONLY reason I equate Him with God's Holy Spirit (the "mind of God"). The bulk of the Christian dogma is misguided and wrong because it was formed by primitive carnal minds (which is true for most extant religions, IMO). Whatever you wish to believe about Abraham, Moses, Mohammed, Sankara (or whoever), they lacked significant knowledge about the Reality they sought to explain and its source, God.
The very disturbing Reality I faced during my encounter is that Reality itself is consciousness. Whatever you wish to call that it is drastically different from what science PRESUMES or religions ASSERT about it. I have no pride, per se, but I also have no false humility. I am a true polymath and my understanding of what I experienced and how it could be true is unshakeable. My efforts to integrate it into the extant religions and science are what seem to provoke true believers in BOTH arenas. I present my views without rancor or any attempt to impose them. The history of such behavior in religions is indefensible, IMO.
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