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Old 05-10-2024, 03:17 PM
 
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And they say: "The Most Gracious (Allah) has begotten a son (or offspring or children)
[as the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say that He has begotten a son ['Îsa (Jesus) عليه السلام],
and the pagan Arabs say that He has begotten daughters (angels and others.)]."
Indeed you have brought forth (said) a terrible evil thing.
Whereby the heavens are almost torn, and the earth is split asunder, and the mountains fall in ruins,
That they ascribe a son (or offspring or children) to the Most Gracious (Allah).
But it is not suitable for (the Majesty of) the Most Gracious (Allah) that He should beget a son (or offspring or children).
There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Gracious (Allah) as a slave.
Verily He knows each one of them, and has counted them a full counting.
And everyone of them will come to Him alone on the Day of Resurrection (without any helper, or protector or defender).




Jesus Christ is Messiah


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After Muhammad's death Abu Bakr compiled the Qur'an into one volume.
The Qur'an had not been collected into one volume prior the third Caliph, some 25 years after Muhammad's death.

During Caliph Uthman’s reign, approximately 19 years after the death of Muhammad, disputes arose concerning the correct recitation of the Qur’an. Uthman ordered that Hafsa’s copy of the Qur’an, along with all known textual materials, should be gathered together so that an official version might be compiled. Zaid ibn Thabit, Abdullah bin Az-Zubair, Sa’id bin Al-As, and Abdur-Rahman bin Harith worked diligently to construct a revised text of the Qur’an. When it was finished, “Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur’anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.”iv The Qur’an we have today is descended from this codex.

Not all Muslims approved of the new Qur’an. Indeed, some of Muhammad’s top teachers rejected Zaid’s version. The Qur'an's not perfect, it has missing verses and phrases amongst the copies.

When you do a comparison of the popular modern Quranic text to 22 other copies of the Quran, including many of the earliest manuscripts we possess as well as several medieval manuscripts and one modern edition of the Warsh text used by many Muslims in North Africa and Yemen. You can just focus on Surah 14:35-41.8 In just these seven verses, its nearly 350 variants among all the manuscripts he examined.

Islam spread mostly through military conquest and violence. Arab Muslim forces conquered vast territories and built imperial structures over time.

Yeshua is God incarnate who brought in the 2nd Covenant he promised through his prophets offering Salvation to all by his last, perfect sacrifice. No new prophets would come after, Yeshua even warned of false prophets, ie Muhammad. I pray you look with a open heart into Yeshua and receive God's grace.
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Old 05-18-2024, 05:15 PM
 
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Yeshua is God incarnate who brought in the 2nd Covenant he promised through his prophets offering Salvation to all by his last, perfect sacrifice. No new prophets would come after, Yeshua even warned of false prophets, ie Muhammad. I pray you look with a open heart into Yeshua and receive God's grace.

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Old 05-19-2024, 10:51 AM
 
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123:4.5 (1361.5) The only real accident Jesus had up to this time was a fall down the back-yard stone stairs which led up to the canvas-roofed bedroom. It happened during an unexpected July sandstorm from the east. The hot winds, carrying blasts of fine sand, usually blew during the rainy season, especially in March and April. It was extraordinary to have such a storm in July. When the storm came up, Jesus was on the housetop playing, as was his habit, for during much of the dry season this was his accustomed playroom. He was blinded by the sand when descending the stairs and fell. After this accident Joseph built a balustrade up both sides of the stairway.

123:4.6 (1361.6) There was no way in which this accident could have been prevented. It was not chargeable to neglect by the midway temporal guardians, one primary and one secondary midwayer having been assigned to the watchcare of the lad; neither was it chargeable to the guardian seraphim. It simply could not have been avoided. But this slight accident, occurring while Joseph was absent in Endor, caused such great anxiety to develop in Mary’s mind that she unwisely tried to keep Jesus very close to her side for some months.

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Old Today, 03:17 AM
 
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Jesus is not God
Jesus was an ordinary man
He eats and drinks and then needs to go to the toilet
Just imagine a god who needs to go to the bathroom to answer the call of nature
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Old Today, 06:15 AM
 
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Jesus is not God
Jesus was an ordinary man
He eats and drinks and then needs to go to the toilet
Just imagine a god who needs to go to the bathroom to answer the call of nature
Jesus lived and breathed and died as a man.
He was then resurrected from the dead as a full bodied man again.
That didn’t happen to Mohammed.
Are you saying the Resurrection didn’t occur?
Christian (Trinitarian) views are thus that Jesus was both fully man and fully God, with the physical bodily resurrection from the dead being the final proof of his divinity.
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Old Today, 08:22 AM
 
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Jesus lived and breathed and died as a man.
He was then resurrected from the dead as a full bodied man again.
That didn’t happen to Mohammed.
Are you saying the Resurrection didn’t occur?
Christian (Trinitarian) views are thus that Jesus was both fully man and fully God, with the physical bodily resurrection from the dead being the final proof of his divinity.

Jesus did not die and never died
Jesus was not crucified,
it was appeared to the people at that time that he was crucified
as it was appeared to the Americans on October 30, 1938 that a Martian invasion was taking place,
when they were listening to
“The War of the Worlds”—Orson Welles's realistic radio dramatization of a Martian invasion of Earth .




Jesus was ascended by Allah and now he is in the second Heaven

for more detail knowledge please read
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2241...d-christianity



Was Jesus Sent to be Crucified

One of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity is that Jesus had died and allowed for the shedding of
his blood for the sake of granting forgiveness to people. In other words Jesus had died on the cross
as a sacrifice for our sins. Let us investigate this topic from the Bible, and find out whether Jesus
:was sent to be crucified or that he was crucified

for the more knowledge please see
https://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih...ci-fiction.pdf
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Old Today, 09:41 AM
 
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Jesus lived and breathed and died as a man.
He was then resurrected from the dead as a full bodied man again.
That didn’t happen to Mohammed.
Are you saying the Resurrection didn’t occur?
Christian (Trinitarian) views are thus that Jesus was both fully man and fully God, with the physical bodily resurrection from the dead being the final proof of his divinity.
We don't KNOW that it happened to Jesus.
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Old Today, 10:18 AM
 
Location: So Cal/AZ
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Jesus did not die and never died
Jesus was not crucified,
it was appeared to the people at that time that he was crucified
as it was appeared to the Americans on October 30, 1938 that a Martian invasion was taking place,
when they were listening to
“The War of the Worlds”—Orson Welles's realistic radio dramatization of a Martian invasion of Earth .




Jesus was ascended by Allah and now he is in the second Heaven

for more detail knowledge please read
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2241...d-christianity



Was Jesus Sent to be Crucified

One of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity is that Jesus had died and allowed for the shedding of
his blood for the sake of granting forgiveness to people. In other words Jesus had died on the cross
as a sacrifice for our sins. Let us investigate this topic from the Bible, and find out whether Jesus
:was sent to be crucified or that he was crucified

for the more knowledge please see
https://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih...ci-fiction.pdf
Yes! let's Investigate

187:0.3 (2004.3) What Jesus is now about to do, submit to death on the cross, he does of his own free will. In foretelling this experience, he said: “The Father loves and sustains me because I am willing to lay down my life. But I will take it up again. No one takes my life away from me—I lay it down of myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up. I have received such a commandment from my Father.”
https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book...87-crucifixion
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