Another win for the criminals (Warren: 2014, buy, contractor)

[msRB311]

https://www.wcvb.com/article/new-pus...mates/60704782

New push to end solitary confinement in federal prisons, including mentally ill inmates

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by msRB311

https://www.wcvb.com/article/new-pus...mates/60704782

New push to end solitary confinement in federal prisons, including mentally ill inmates

Do the correctional officers, and fellow inmates no longer have rights? If one of them has their head smashed in by some psychopath due to isolation no longer being an option, who takes responsibility?

[msRB311]

I'm sure prisons will be closing more and more in the future because there will be no one to work in them.

[massnative71]

I wonder if Warren or Markey have ever visited a prison before? Talk to the COs about their needs or concerns?

[BostonBornMassMade]

Solitary confinement is inhumane and should be abolished as soon as humanly possible.

[msRB311]

Many criminals are inhumane which is why they are in prison in the first place

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Many criminals are inhumane which is why they are in prison in the first place

Prison is inhumane enough. Solitary confinement is detrimental to prison culture and their inmates.

The vast majority of these people are expected to return to society at some point. Cant reasonably do that when you've been in the hole. Even short stints obliterate your short and long term mental health.

COs are paid like best buy employees- anyone can get tossed in there.

Although about 8% of the population is in restrictive housing at any given time, 39% of homicides and 46% of suicides in federal prisons occurred in such settings

[msRB311]

But if you're in prison and can't behave in there it's unlikely you're getting out any time soon.

I'm sure prison does a number on people's on mental health...but their mental health was clearly not great in the first place to end up there. Getting arrested also seems to do a number on people's mental health. Kind of comes back to, don't break laws and you don't have to worry about these things.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by msRB311

But if you're in prison and can't behave in there it's unlikely you're getting out any time soon.

I'm sure prison does a number on people's on mental health...but their mental health was clearly not great in the first place to end up there. Getting arrested also seems to do a number on people's mental health. Kind of comes back to, don't break laws and you don't have to worry about these things.

You ever know anyone whos been to a federal prison?

Its not a matter of behaving. You can go into solitary confinement for absolutely anything. It's persistenly overused and there are watchdogs and mandates that prisons do not comply with. People will go into solitary for legitimate self-defense actions, "attitude", breaking rank. Its not like people go in there for bashing COs heads. Thats not common at all, people WANT to get out and they dont want to risk getting beaten and pepper sprayed and tazered and locked up.

You may only be there for 3-5 years and spend a year of it total in solitary. Youre acting as though these inmates have any rights whatsoever, once youre in a prison-or even a jail- anything that happens to you is 100% out of your control. Its not like the free world.

You're essentialy a defenselesss infant. For thousands of people its you either get beat or raped and go to the infirmary or youre going to solitary. PREA doesnt protect you from solitary.

"Going to prison" and "being in solitary confinement" are two very very different things.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Just to give you context on how bad solitary is... this is from a governmental website, with remarks from the DOJ.. this is not some psycho babble, far-left blah blah blah. Theres is ample science, and proof that solitary is not effective and the majortiy of folks want it gone. Many prison wardens and LEOs want it reduced significantly too


https://www.gao.gov/blog/federal-pri...ry-confinement

In prisons, restrictive housing—including solitary confinement—is meant to temporarily separate those who engage in violent or disruptive behavior from the general population. While this is meant to be a safety measure, there are concerns that restrictive housing is being overused and used disproportionally for Black people.

As of October, about 12,000 people were placed in restrictive housing across all federal prisons. People placed in restrictive housing typically spend at least 22 hours a day in a locked cell. The Department of Justice and others have made dozens of recommendations on steps needed to reduce the overuse of this type of housing, but the Bureau of Prisons has not addressed many of them.

The Bureau of Prisons says it recognizes that restrictive housing is not an effective deterrent for bad behavior and can even increase future misconduct. However, it has made slow progress toward taking action on longstanding recommendations, partly because the Bureau hasn’t established roles or time frames for doing so.


Two studies made 87 total recommendations on ways to ensure restrictive housing was used correctly and not overused. One of these studies was commissioned at the Bureau of Prisons’ request, which it used to help respond to findings from a 2013 GAO report.

Some of these recommendations are nearly a decade old. For example, the 2014 study by an independent contractor found that while the Bureau was providing timely post-prison resources for people who had been in the general housing population, it wasn’t providing them for those who had been in restrictive housing. The study recommended that the Bureau provide these resources to everyone within 180 days of being released from prison.

Other recommendations are from a 2016 Department of Justice examination of restrictive housing, which had the overall goal of reducing its use.




Most logical people realize that the practice is incredible detrimental and that it increases violence. Inmates will eevn tell you that 1 hour they;re out theyre incredibly antisocial.

Theres a Netflix show called Unlocked that is top 10 on Netflix, about a county jail in Pulaski Couty Arkansas that is opening the jail cells, and removing the deputy form the floor (theyre waatching on camera), and letting violent inmates out of their cell whereas previously they were all on 23-1. The Sherrif is the one who came up with the idea, hes hoping it makes for a less violent prison.