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The simple answer is England, where we get English Common Law, basic rights as passed down from the Magna Carta, a notion and history of representative government, English capitalism, the English language, a heavy dose of Protestantism and religious dissenters, English enlightenment, and a strong commercial tradition.
We could, and did, get some of that from the Dutch, Germans, French, Spanish and other European contributors but the English contribution is primary among all others. Some could argue whether all of those contributions (and others like chattel slavery) were beneficial but that isn't the question.
And of course the bad side of "German" culture began with the atheist satanic commie 1848's AKA the Forty Eighters. They also went to Brazil, Chile, Belgium, France, Netherlands, Britain, etc. They were the forebears of the most dominant culture in the West today Cultural Marxism. It exists in every institution. It's pure evil.
Uh, whut?
The people who participated in the failed European revolutions of 1848 were definitely not "atheist satanic commie" people. Those revolutions were about overthrowing the existing European monarchies and replacing them with liberal democratic governments. Sort of like what happened in North American British colonies in the late 18th century.
After these revolutions failed, many Germans emigrated from Europe to, among other places, the United States. Upon their arrival, Nativist Americans reviled them (along with the Irish escaping the Great Famine of 1848) for being drunken ignorant immigrants, here to steal jobs and destroy Protestant America with their inherent Papism and non-Anglo-Saxon heritage. When it turned out in the 1860's that these German immigrants overwhelmingly opposed secession in the American Civil War, they earned themselves even more hate from Southern supporters of the Cause.
And of course the bad side of "German" culture began with the atheist satanic commie 1848's AKA the Forty Eighters. They also went to Brazil, Chile, Belgium, France, Netherlands, Britain, etc. They were the forebears of the most dominant culture in the West today Cultural Marxism. It exists in every institution. It's pure evil.
Where did you even hear this nonsense? The Forty Eighters advocated for things like human rights, anti-imperialism, a constitution, voting rights, freedom of the press, etc. Yeah, that's totally "pure evil". The whole reason they came to America when they failed in Europe was because we already had many of those things.
Where did you even hear this nonsense? The Forty Eighters advocated for things like human rights, anti-imperialism, a constitution, voting rights, freedom of the press, etc. Yeah, that's totally "pure evil". The whole reason they came to America when they failed in Europe was because we already had many of those things.
Yeah, in the same way French revolutionaries fought for the equality of man.
Hundreds of thousands of deaths later they produced the gangster from Corsica, responsible for the death of half the young male population of Europe.
The 48ers were rabble rousers with the same utopian intent that always ends in bloodshed.
I think that if all a nation has known through history is an autocratic government, be that Tsar, monarch, dictator, or religious potentates, they are much likely to return to that model eventually once they throw off the old regime. The U.S. is an exception, probably based on the incremental democratic and legal advances and social changes seen in England prior to our revolution.
Yeah, in the same way French revolutionaries fought for the equality of man.
Hundreds of thousands of deaths later they produced the gangster from Corsica, responsible for the death of half the young male population of Europe.
The 48ers were rabble rousers with the same utopian intent that always ends in bloodshed.
I'm not saying all their actions were always perfect and honorable, but calling them satanic and pure evil is just ridiculous. There is usually bloodshed in any revolution, including the American Revolution. Does that make our founding fathers "satanic" and "pure evil" as well? Should we not have had a revolution?
Where did you even hear this nonsense? The Forty Eighters advocated for things like human rights, anti-imperialism, a constitution, voting rights, freedom of the press, etc. Yeah, that's totally "pure evil". The whole reason they came to America when they failed in Europe was because we already had many of those things.
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I'm not saying all their actions were always perfect and honorable, but calling them satanic and pure evil is just ridiculous. There is usually bloodshed in any revolution, including the American Revolution. Does that make our founding fathers "satanic" and "pure evil" as well? Should we not have had a revolution?
We didn't have mass execution of the population after the Revolution to the hundreds of thousands.
Of course there's bloodshed in war, a reign of terror on the population afterward is quite another.
The 48ers have a very romantic view of themselves that doesn't match their true goals which were an extension of the "ideals" of the French Revolution.
Revenge and retribution might not be satanic and pure evil but they don't usually take us to a good place
The French Revolution went off the rails for several reasons. There were external forces and the emigres trying to stop it, the nobility in the country side were trying to regain power, and the Paris mobs and peasants were trying to gain control. The chaos paved the way for Robespierre and the guillotine reign of terror. Robespierre was a “purist” trying to cleanse the revolution but only to his own high standards — which few people of any note could meet. The ideals were still there but unmet.
The French Revolution followed our own and we had Jefferson and Paine urging them on. Many of the revolutions of that era, even our own, were promoted openly or clandestinely by an upper class that had gained significant power and authority and saw that it was going to be reined in or eliminated by the higher authority. That was certainly the case in Latin America as well. The French mostly exterminated the leadership class, leaving the door open for Napoleon, who at least knew how to win wars. The liberal and democratic uprisings in 1848 failed to coalesce around a permanent leadership group but they achieved some positive changes in spite of their failure.
We didn't have mass execution of the population after the Revolution to the hundreds of thousands.
Of course there's bloodshed in war, a reign of terror on the population afterward is quite another.
The 48ers have a very romantic view of themselves that doesn't match their true goals which were an extension of the "ideals" of the French Revolution.
Revenge and retribution might not be satanic and pure evil but they don't usually take us to a good place
I'm not talking about the French Revolution though, you can compare them all you want, the Forty-Eighters didn't hold any mass executions so you can't hold what the French Revolutionaries did against them.
I'm not talking about the French Revolution though, you can compare them all you want, the Forty-Eighters didn't hold any mass executions so you can't hold what the French Revolutionaries did against them.
That's only because they didn't win.
They were motivated by the same ideas of the Radical Enlightenment as the revolutionaries of France.
Destruction of the past and completely remaking the world to achieve utopia.
A state that isn't achievable and involves killing lots of people.
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The whole reason they came to America when they failed in Europe was because we already had many of those things.