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As we know, the concluding message in that story is that God knows better than we do. Faith in God requires one to accept this, and yet it continues to bother me that we often are not given the specific purpose behind terrible things that happen for no apparent reason.
It's an example of faith and trust in God. There will always be matters we won't know or understand, but that's not to stop us. Sure, it's a challenge and can be bothersome, but we often move forward the most under difficulty. We won't understand other tricky matters like the early death of a child and cancer, but we are to move forward as best as possible despite the setbacks. We can't change imperfection, but we can soar even with it amongst us.
The human side will always steer towards complaint and frustration, but the spiritual / soul side wants to rise above it all. God set up a strong example - with extremes we'll never face - to show that even under those circumstances, we still have to get beyond our personal challenges and circumstances. If Job could do it, what's our excuse with our daily little problems?
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It's an example of faith and trust in God. There will always be matters we won't know or understand, but that's not to stop us. Sure, it's a challenge and can be bothersome, but we often move forward the most under difficulty. We won't understand other tricky matters like the early death of a child and cancer, but we are to move forward as best as possible despite the setbacks. We can't change imperfection, but we can soar even with it amongst us.
As an unbeliever, one has to move forward as best they can ... as a believer, one has to move forward as best they can ... potato, patahto. Might as well dispense with the cruft.
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The human side will always steer towards complaint and frustration, but the spiritual / soul side wants to rise above it all. God set up a strong example - with extremes we'll never face - to show that even under those circumstances, we still have to get beyond our personal challenges and circumstances. If Job could do it, what's our excuse with our daily little problems?
I think that mature persons, who have the opportunity and assets and encouragement to get there, want to "rise above it all". But again ... making these statements which are equally true of believers and unbelievers alike begs the question: why be one or the other, if one's life is the same either way?
As we know, the concluding message in that story is that God knows better than we do. Faith in God requires one to accept this, and yet it continues to bother me that we often are not given the specific purpose behind terrible things that happen for no apparent reason. Is it that we couldn't possibly understand or is it simply because God doesn't have to explain Himself?
If Job was already considered righteous and upright, then why did he have to lose everything? What did this accomplish?
Job 1
2And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. 3His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
On Rosh Hashanah was the day of the coronation of the king and so Jesus was put on a she ass and he road into town with people throwing down palm leaves under the asse's feet
This symbolism of the she ass is symbolizing the flesh where the spirt is riding the flesh, and the flesh feels will the spirit.
What is the symbolism of a yoke of oxen?
1 Corinthians Is the laws of oxen for men or for oxen?
Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? 9For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? 10Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. 11If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
Are you a sheep?
A yoke of oxen? Who are you yoked to?
A she ass?
A camel?
Job is the earth's past present and future in the cycle of God.
You are going to die, but will you yourself live again?
Is Job showing Satan killing 7 sons and 3 daughters to Job getting 7 more sons and 3 more daughters? Or is the book of job showing the resurrection of his 7 sons and 3 daughters?
Well, just things to think about, I keep trying to write but it's always too long.
I do not remember any mention of 'sin' from his wife, nor his children.
Please share the passage where you found this.
It is so thick in the details that its overwhelming that Job was of a different religion as his wives or kids. Those kids had their own houses, they had their own yokes of oxen and you can bet their animals were not in the field but Job's animals were all in the field. The children had begun their courses of feasts, their holy days and that's why Job decided to sacrifice for his kids lest they did curse God. Its the same story as Cain, same as Solomon and others.
I would certainly say his kids were resurrected and that Job is symbolized in death..
Same deal between me and my kids, it's why I feel sorry for and still, there is great hope but I would slap both the wives.
First two chapters are a great puzzle that tells us so much.
What all the animals mean, the parables of the sons of God, Satan killing Job's children with an evil wind out of the wilderness...
Evil winds from the wilderness are dark spirits.
Job is THE king of the east and that's a whole book.
I could write out all the details in a couple hours going into Revelation many times with many pages but I doubt anyone would read it, what is said in some of Revelation is said because of Job.
God chose out 7 mountains for 7 kings for 7000 years and he sent 7 holy men, sons of God to unite the people of the earth and it fails every single time.
As an unbeliever, one has to move forward as best they can ... as a believer, one has to move forward as best they can ... potato, patahto. Might as well dispense with the cruft.
I think that mature persons, who have the opportunity and assets and encouragement to get there, want to "rise above it all". But again ... making these statements which are equally true of believers and unbelievers alike begs the question: why be one or the other, if one's life is the same either way?
Good is good. Love is love. And it's always ( as you are) on " the right side".
And I suspect I know where that positive influence evolved from
I have heard Christians assert both of those "explanations". Others I have seen suggest that there is hidden sin or some other avenue of access for Satan to cause problems, or that god is in some way "testing" a person or building character / growing hair on their chest or something. The equivocations are basically never-ending.
The whole book of Job is based on a wager between God and Satan. So the purpose was for god to win the wager. Satan's wager was that Job would curse god if god took away all the blessings He had given Job. So there was no "reason" for Job's suffering other than god not losing face with ol' slewfoot. Couple of super-beings toying with Job like an insect.
Yes, this story is one of my many stumbling-blocks. God makes a wager with Satan at the expense of the little guy. Sigh.
It's very trying on the faith to accept this story. I hope it is not literally true.
Yes, this story is one of my many stumbling-blocks. God makes a wager with Satan at the expense of the little guy. Sigh.
It's very trying on the faith to accept this story. I hope it is not literally true.
It’s not literally, individually, personally true as it is not a story about a literal person named Job
The Hebrew Scriptures need to be understood that they are written prophetically looking forward to Christ and the 1st century - the New Testament has the same style of narrative/story as well
The prophets/writers/scribes were religious men describing and recording ‘things’ that relate to a higher dimension/realm than their/our own individual and personal level of ‘being’
It has the classic ‘Once upon a time there was a man called Job who lived in ….’
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Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius
First two chapters are a great puzzle that tells us so much.
What all the animals mean, the parables of the sons of God, Satan killing Job's children with an evil wind out of the wilderness...
Evil winds from the wilderness are dark spirits.
Job is THE king of the east and that's a whole book.
I could write out all the details in a couple hours going into Revelation many times with many pages but I doubt anyone would read it, what is said in some of Revelation is said because of Job.
God chose out 7 mountains for 7 kings for 7000 years and he sent 7 holy men, sons of God to unite the people of the earth and it fails every single time.
What I try to do is figuratively, metaphorically ‘step back’ when reading Scripture and and any other sacred/religious writing, like the church fathers, the Koran, Buddhist writings, etc and view it from that higher non-personal perspective
The ‘war’ at that higher societal level is not against us individually, we are the expendable workers born under their regional ‘dominion’ like sheep and cattle
They are ‘the men’ in positions of authority
Mat 10:16**Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Mat 10:17**But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Mat 10:18**And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mat 10:19**But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
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