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You are using your translation of the NT. How is that not using the Bible?
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
I'm citing the testimony of the Catholic Church, which is the teaching of Jesus' followers themselves, passed on through their successors until the present day.
I'm not using the Bible as proof or a claim. I'm citing the testimony of the Catholic Church, which is the teaching of Jesus' followers themselves, passed on through their successors until the present day.
More claims in other words. Testimony is always a claim, not a proof. What else do you have?
I'm not using the Bible as proof or a claim. I'm citing the testimony of the Catholic Church, which is the teaching of Jesus' followers themselves, passed on through their successors until the present day.
I know that's the claim, but there are others like God's word transmitted to a man in a cave.
I think there is a good case now that this traditional claim is not valid and what happened was that, whatever the disciples/Jesus' apostles believed, Paul adapted their messianism to one suited to the Greeks.
But I argue that not even Paul (much less the disciples) envisaged the transformation of the man -messiah into a god incarnated. which is what the Greek writers - not eyewitness Jews - did with the story to produce the present gospels and Acts, and the dogmas of the Church.
This is not a true tradition handed down from the apostles, but a Romanized Paganisation handed down from the Greeks of Paul's adaptation of whatever true story there might originally have been.
So that's not what Christians believe and your statement is merely an opinion not fact.
Christians are not defined by what they believe. They are defined by how closely their Spirits resonate with the Spirit of Christ. We can detect that by how much they love God and each other as Jesus did.
I know that's the claim, but there are others like God's word transmitted to a man in a cave.
I think there is a good case now that this traditional claim is not valid and what happened was that, whatever the disciples/Jesus' apostles believed, Paul adapted their messianism to one suited to the Greeks.
But I argue that not even Paul (much less the disciples) envisaged the transformation of the man -messiah into a god incarnated. which is what the Greek writers - not eyewitness Jews - did with the story to produce the present gospels and Acts, and the dogmas of the Church.
This is not a true tradition handed down from the apostles, but a Romanized Paganisation handed down from the Greeks of Paul's adaptation of whatever true story there might originally have been.
I know that's the claim, but there are others like God's word transmitted to a man in a cave.
I think there is a good case now that this traditional claim is not valid and what happened was that, whatever the disciples/Jesus' apostles believed, Paul adapted their messianism to one suited to the Greeks.
But I argue that not even Paul (much less the disciples) envisaged the transformation of the man -messiah into a god incarnated. which is what the Greek writers - not eyewitness Jews - did with the story to produce the present gospels and Acts, and the dogmas of the Church.
This is not a true tradition handed down from the apostles, but a Romanized Paganisation handed down from the Greeks of Paul's adaptation of whatever true story there might originally have been.
I'm willing to bet my life on it.
Did anybody notice, I never said "We"? It is my own 'theory'. It isn't what the Bible critics seem to think, but I reckon they should, as it sticks out a mile. If 'we' trouble to look.
You are talking about inferences from the Bible versus what the Bible actually says. The God of Jesus is said to be the only God. Jesus is the Firstborn Son of God, suggesting there are to be others.........
Yes, you are right because ALL the angels are: ' sons of God ' .
- for example see Genesis 6:2; Job 1:6; Job 38:7; 2nd Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6
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Also I'd suggest not trying evasion or changing the subject.
